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|Wangan Midnight Expressway Forums > Polls Forum > What car used most often?|
|Posted by: Inso Aug 11 2008, 07:31 PM|
|im gonna take a wild guess.. and think Mitsubishi comes up first ><"|
|Posted by: XxZxX Aug 11 2008, 07:42 PM|
| i use cars based on how they look and wat i lik. i hv 3 nissan and 1 toyota. so nissan FTW. lolz.
but from ur title it says wat cars r used most often. i see EVOs everywhr.
|Posted by: Alcyone.29 Aug 11 2008, 07:42 PM|
|Well Nissan has the largest selection, so technically I'd put them at the top. While my favorite car is a Subaru, the largest bulk of my collection is Nissan (R34, R32, Z32, S30) Otherwise my other cars are Mazdas. I was thinking about starting up a Supra...|
|Posted by: .lyrical Aug 11 2008, 07:47 PM|
|hands down evos.... unfortunately...|
|Posted by: lapenakris Aug 11 2008, 09:10 PM|
| i see so many evos around. it's not even funny.
i even joined in with this evo parade rofl.
'cept i misplaced that card somewhere around my room >_>
|Posted by: Inso Aug 11 2008, 09:19 PM|
| ><" no one voted for mazda or toyota yet, lawl... hahah
nissans ftw ^^
|Posted by: bennz Aug 11 2008, 09:34 PM|
|im not votin =P|
|Posted by: Jerry Liu Aug 11 2008, 10:13 PM|
|Check the sig.|
|Posted by: RemieGino14 Aug 11 2008, 10:15 PM|
| S30. Occasionally Supra.
- RemieGino14 -
|Posted by: gs68 Aug 11 2008, 10:17 PM|
| No boost.
Evo 8 only.
Final Destination, aka Osaka.
|Posted by: N643 Aug 11 2008, 10:33 PM|
|wasn't the thread made by chao|
|Posted by: raven111 Aug 11 2008, 10:45 PM|
| If you're asking about what cars are most often picked (or are popular), I can say these cars (by brand) are most often picked:
But if you're asking which car we personally use most often, then I gotta say I go for the RX-8 - since I started using Manual, I had the best shifting out of it compared to my other cars; it also handles well.
|Posted by: EDD!E Aug 11 2008, 11:04 PM|
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Aug 11 2008, 11:09 PM|
|evos...by far the most popular, then second id say skylines.|
|Posted by: kazuki-kun Aug 12 2008, 12:54 AM|
|yeah... and I saw skyline everywhere here... and ussualy they use R34 and R32.... too many skyline and too many evo8 and 9 too|
|Posted by: Geo Aug 12 2008, 01:17 AM|
|i use nissans but for some reason, i seem to have more mazdas.|
|Posted by: EDD!E Aug 12 2008, 01:47 AM|
I have 2 EVOs, and 5 Nissans(R32, R33, R34, Z33, S30)
But I use EVOs all the time....-.-
Nissan cards are getting dusty.....
|Posted by: raven111 Aug 12 2008, 01:50 AM|
| Evo8 can be listed as "most (ab)used car in the game". The 9 pulls second, but what about the 3 and CP9As? And speaking of which, the R33?
Also, I don't think I read the poll correctly. If that means what manufacturer do I have the most cars from, that'd be Mitsubishi and Subaru.
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Aug 12 2008, 01:53 AM|
|lol i have both the CP9A(5) and CP9A(6). i had like them more than evo8/9 because too many ppl have them. since i liked the evo 5/6 way before 8/9 came out. even my brother likes the evo 6 more than 9 and he owns one lol.|
|Posted by: Blaze Aug 12 2008, 01:58 AM|
|Mostly my S30, but now even with my subi, since its the team car and gonna start using R32 as main car|
|Posted by: "Go to Osaka" Aug 12 2008, 03:34 PM|
|I'm a huge Subaru fan, but I know that Mitsubishi's take this poll hands down. Here in Hawaii at least one person in every team has more than one Evo. Not different Evo now. Like 3 Evo VIII with different names. When I see that all I can say is, "WTF," and, "Just wait until DX pops it's head in and everyone sees the Evo X in there."|
|Posted by: kyril Aug 12 2008, 03:38 PM|
|i'm an Evo fan so i put my money on Mitsubishi. if i play any racing game aside maxitune, i always choose the latest Evo car it has.|
|Posted by: geokilla Aug 12 2008, 04:01 PM|
|I'd vote, but then I have only one car, and that's my not fully dressed GDB-F.|
|Posted by: .lyrical Aug 12 2008, 08:03 PM|
@ raven111 I second that about the EVOs lol... geez really...
anyways I think INSO meant, what car manufacturer is often picked by players.. not the latter
|Posted by: N643 Aug 12 2008, 09:44 PM|
| i am such an a-hole cuz i give mods a reason 2 close this thread
kenji made a directory this thread was in there
|Posted by: raven111 Aug 13 2008, 12:46 AM|
Getting my last word in here before this does get closed (on the off chance it does): having three different cars of the same model with different names IMO is just retarded. Which is why I went with two Evos of different models with different names; and by different models, this even extends to the chassis ID - I aint' got no Evo8 and Evo9 (both CT9A, the first of which I gave away because of this post - they're virtually the same car, anyway!).
*Rant finished; exit, stage left*
|Posted by: Roflmao Aug 13 2008, 06:05 AM|
| I would think everyone would agree that the most used car is evo8.
and the most played track is osaka =P. haha
|Posted by: Dare Aug 13 2008, 10:05 AM|
| Considering the poll question is what manufacturer do YOU use most...
|Posted by: .lyrical Aug 13 2008, 10:54 AM|
hahaha your soo right lol....
honestly guys.. why do people get a hard on, on EVOs lol... well I have my answers..
|Posted by: raven111 Aug 13 2008, 08:54 PM|
|Evo8+Osaka = ultimate *happiness* (I'm not serious.)|
|Posted by: Tensa Aug 13 2008, 11:54 PM|
| Seeing as I have FD, Z33 and Evo 9, I guess that's a tie in my case.
Buuuut: I use FD as my main car, even though the LANSAAA EVUHLOOSHUN NEIN is better.
|Posted by: FClover Aug 15 2008, 03:53 AM|
| I voted for mazda because they have my favorite RX-series cars...=D
But damn...that's a huge chunk from mitsubishi...not that it's not expected though...
|Posted by: DarkStar Aug 15 2008, 12:35 PM|
| I normaly see Evos everywhere now. But everyone has a skyline somewhere
My 4 faves are my GTO, Evo 9, R34, and Z33. So I have a foot on both sides.
|Posted by: MaxX Aug 15 2008, 12:46 PM|
| I may have an evo, but I'm only one of two regularly-played evoVI cars that I'm aware of in our entire area.
I set trends!
|Posted by: Roflmao Aug 17 2008, 04:35 AM|
| lol..i've only seen 2 z33 where i play and im one of them haha
everyone has evo8 (not surprised)
|Posted by: Midnight Star Aug 17 2008, 04:44 AM|
|GO THE HIACE! UNDER-REPRESENTED FTW!|
|Posted by: EDD!E Aug 17 2008, 06:34 AM|
| Yay seems like Mitsubishi is having a big lead.....xD
LOL I used to have a Hiace too....xD
Sooooo fun to drive....
and so cool to block other players' views while in battle....=D
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Aug 17 2008, 05:14 PM|
|evo 6 all the way!! evo 8 is too overused. evo 9 is new but lots of ppl are starting to have it. also like the evo 5.|
|Posted by: N643 Jan 18 2009, 07:45 PM|
|im use a evo 5 & i set as my main car but it's not always used & now in dx i use a gc8 cuz it's under used same with the hiace but in mt2 it was my cosmo that i was still tuning but then i lost it|
|Posted by: EDD!E Jan 18 2009, 07:47 PM|
Good job for reviving a topic that is bout 5 months old =D
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Jan 18 2009, 07:47 PM|
|it was revived like 20 mins ago, when somebody voted in the poll. lol..|
|Posted by: N643 Jan 18 2009, 07:50 PM|
|hey i didn't see that i thought john revived the thread|
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Jan 18 2009, 07:52 PM|
my last post before you posted was in august 2008, that means somebody posted in the poll, which also revives dead threads..
|Posted by: N643 Jan 18 2009, 08:00 PM|
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 19 2009, 02:12 AM|
|i vote for Mitsu....|
|Posted by: duongsta Jan 19 2009, 04:34 AM|
| yea Mitsubishi seems popular
cause there's a lot of selection to choose
|Posted by: MDZRX7 Jan 19 2009, 02:38 PM|
| Mitsubishi FTW
Because Im more comfortable using a lightweight 4WD setup vs a lightweight FR
Not because of the selection of cars Mitsubishi has
Just because of the drivetrain and the weight
|Posted by: Loli Star Jan 19 2009, 07:26 PM|
| Wow, i'm surprised a lot of people choose Mitsubishi.
Me, i use Nissan a lot.
|Posted by: Roflmao Jan 19 2009, 11:45 PM|
|o.o...this thread is stil alive? i thougth it was dead already lol|
|Posted by: *eee* Jan 20 2009, 02:25 AM|
| i use the Nissan FZ [S30] alot
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 20 2009, 08:16 AM|
|altough I'm an EvoLover, I prefer R34 than Evo|
|Posted by: bless Jan 25 2009, 07:40 AM|
| I got lots of cars ... but im mainly using mitsubitshi, nissan and toyota cars ...
as for traffic cars i used subaru R2
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 25 2009, 10:31 AM|
| o yeah for cheat/funny car I choose Hiace
totally different with the other cars (mostly sedan)
It's a BUS!
|Posted by: bless Jan 26 2009, 12:10 AM|
| Actually its a van ... i prefer the TOYOTA ToyoAce. That is truly a Truck!... its the biggest trafic vehicle and imagine the potential if its Full Tune!
Too bad it cant be used in version 3 nor 3dx T.T
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 26 2009, 11:14 PM|
| I also hope there is a Nissan Stagea...
Wagon style of Skyline
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 26 2009, 11:22 PM|
|^ hoping doesn't make the cars appear in the game though..lmao|
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 26 2009, 11:47 PM|
| and also more choices of cars like ID...
but it's okay, I still prefer MT.
Most ppl here use E8 (mitsu)
Myself has lots of cars and I use them all.
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 26 2009, 11:51 PM|
| at 1U..by my observation:
1. Mitsubishi E8 and E9
2. Nissan Skyline R34
3. Mazda RX-7
4. Supra JZ80
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 26 2009, 11:52 PM|
same as here
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 26 2009, 11:54 PM|
|yeah..the players are just obsessed with these cars..i dunno why|
|Posted by: ItsLeonV Jan 26 2009, 11:55 PM|
| @ R34
Yeah, My dream car, even though I'm only 17, I almost had my hands on an RX-7, but my dad wouldn't sign the paper over since I'm not 18 yet =(
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 27 2009, 12:04 AM|
good luck bout that..
|Posted by: ItsLeonV Jan 27 2009, 12:12 AM|
| @ R34
Yeah... my dad wasn't happy when I said, I'm going to be using his garage to store the car... damn mechanics LOL anyways, I'm still setting my sights on that car, but a little later, insurance owns me =(
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 27 2009, 12:46 AM|
| how lucky are you can own a RX-7...
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 27 2009, 12:48 AM|
| yeah you're considered lucky if you can get your hands on the RX-7..
|Posted by: ItsLeonV Jan 27 2009, 12:52 AM|
|I apologize to get off topic, but they're kinda "cheap". If you can handle about 11-20k$ tops you can get one here in Seattle. Other cars like benz and lexus are... ehh... not appealing to me|
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 27 2009, 04:49 AM|
| do u ever think how much it costs in malaysian ringgit?? hehe
at Sunway i always see people using the R32 and EVO 8..
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 27 2009, 04:51 AM|
| check out my USERNAME, SIG, and AVATAR
they're all my collection
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 27 2009, 04:55 AM|
doesn't the impreza looks like a little box shaped to you??
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 27 2009, 05:04 AM|
Altough I feel that Impreza still slower than my R34 and E9..
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 27 2009, 05:16 AM|
| R34 still rules..
lots of people use it..
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 27 2009, 05:21 AM|
|many ppl still choose E8/9 than R34.|
|Posted by: Impreza STI 22B Jan 27 2009, 07:42 AM|
|I use the E3 and proud of it!I am probably the only few in my area using it in the sea of people who use Rs,E8s and E9s.|
|Posted by: Ban Jan 27 2009, 05:35 PM|
| mitsubishi. i have an evo8 as my main car and evo9 as my team car.
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 28 2009, 07:29 AM|
| I'm really bored when challenged by 3 Evos, esp. E8.
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 29 2009, 04:39 AM|
|went to Sunway Pyramid today and found that most players ude evo 9 and evo 10..|
|Posted by: phn419 Jan 29 2009, 04:46 AM|
|i use e5|
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 29 2009, 04:47 AM|
| not much e5 at Sunway..
only a couple or so..
|Posted by: shadowsuke Jan 29 2009, 07:11 AM|
thought you LOVE evos?
|Posted by: Virus. Jan 29 2009, 03:14 PM|
|Evo8/9 and R34 are most common|
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 29 2009, 06:20 PM|
|evoLOVER prefers R34 than Evo itself..|
|Posted by: MDZRX7 Jan 29 2009, 09:19 PM|
That doesnt mean anything
So his sig has a pic of a BNR34
And his name is EvoLover
My name has RX-7 in it
And I do love the RX-7
But I mainly use all Evos now
|Posted by: TheSOSsignal Jan 29 2009, 09:20 PM|
| fairlady ftw. I don't care which model, but the 350 is my #1 forever.
Evos can crash and burn, and skylines, as beautiful as they are, are too over played. I use a car that only few choose. At least, over here, because i'm only one of the few who actually race the z33.
|Posted by: *eee* Jan 29 2009, 09:47 PM|
|thats a great car Z33 rock but i perfer S30 devil z i like that car the most|
|Posted by: MDZRX7 Jan 29 2009, 10:13 PM|
I know a lot of people who use the Z33 in Mililani
|Posted by: iKeeto Jan 29 2009, 10:16 PM|
|Nissan Fairlady Z (S30) its the most used car on Maui!|
|Posted by: *eee* Jan 29 2009, 11:28 PM|
|S30 and now the EVO8 MR|
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 30 2009, 12:18 AM|
|nope..he said to me he prefer R34 more than Evo's..|
|Posted by: MDZRX7 Jan 30 2009, 12:21 AM|
Then why did you have to post that up
It has nothing to do with the topic >.<
|Posted by: EvoLover Jan 31 2009, 11:13 AM|
I love all of my cars..
They're on my username, avatar, and sig.
Coming soon on my title.
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 31 2009, 07:28 PM|
| so where is your title??
you do know you can request a title at 300 post right??
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Jan 31 2009, 07:37 PM|
| over 300 post you can request to change a title, over 800 post you can choose your own, like change it anytime via your control panel.
on topic: posted this on the nissan thread too. but just wondering who else here, uses a S15. cuz thats a car i rarely see..
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 31 2009, 09:08 PM|
| yeah..where I play only one guy use an S15..so sad..
but bcoz he's the only one using it..he bcame an attraction..LUCKY mate!!
|Posted by: shadowsuke Jan 31 2009, 09:32 PM|
| hmmmm cars used often...
these days it's hard to tell with the influx of rx8s and miatas
how is using an s15 lucky?
|Posted by: noOb R34 Jan 31 2009, 09:37 PM|
| he's the only one using S15 there..
evryone was focusing on him..lol
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Jan 31 2009, 10:52 PM|
|well, if youre the only one with a certain car in youre arcade, youre not lucky. its just that random ppl that play will go "wow! a S15!" cuz its not common.|
|Posted by: teekay2049 Jan 31 2009, 10:53 PM|
Random people will go "WOW A *SKY*" or "WOW AN E8!" but now...it's just too typical
|Posted by: N643 Jan 31 2009, 10:54 PM|
|did i hear evo5 cuz i drive a evo5|
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Jan 31 2009, 10:55 PM|
"wow an evo VIII" who the hell would say that? evo VIII are too damn common lol
|Posted by: teekay2049 Jan 31 2009, 11:00 PM|
exactly my ^sarcasm^ there
|Posted by: BNR34NISMO Jan 31 2009, 11:06 PM|
i would slap that person that gets suprised, like they never saw an evo VIII before in MT.
and go "WTF!! have you been? under a rock you caveman!!!"
|Posted by: Virus. Feb 1 2009, 06:43 AM|
|Mitsu and Nissan used most often at arcades i go to ..|
|Posted by: Kiaku Feb 3 2009, 03:54 AM|
| Guess toyota's the least common one. No offense toyota-ers
EDIT: Oh crap, some supra-ers are gonna get mad at me >__<
|Posted by: noOb R34 Feb 4 2009, 05:40 AM|
| ^ especially dare..lol
but what you said is true..toyota users at 1U..RARE!! only like 20%
|Posted by: TheSOSsignal Feb 4 2009, 08:04 PM|
Haha. I've yet to see them, besides a few of my friends who just started them up just now. sex69, domo*diamond*, and one other kid. Dunno him.
|Posted by: dragracer0589 Feb 4 2009, 09:01 PM|
IMO nissan dominates hir in PH....
since many uses GT-R Series and S/Z series of nissan...
followed by Mitsubishi..... [yeah, E8 is da whore]
then Toyota.... [ ohh the mighty Supra]
then mazda... [wow, MX-5 raise the flag of Mazda]
then subaru.... [ da 'basic' car? lolx]
|Posted by: >z31< Feb 5 2009, 07:00 PM|
| In singapore the most commonly cars used are:
Every arcade you visit in singapore sure has 1 guy using one of the above three
Mx-5 Is becoming the 4th soon.
|Posted by: Kiaku Feb 7 2009, 06:00 PM|
| mx-5 is rare in kl
evo x is popular in kl
|Posted by: Kazuki Feb 9 2009, 10:14 PM|
| I see nothing but R-34's, 350z's and Evolutions at the arcade I work at.
Seems like everyone likes 6 speeds cars, and I don't blame them. I drove my friends FT Evo IX. that thing accelerates like crazy and handles just like my S30 Z.
BUT, even though my S30 doesn't accelerate as well, I think it has a bit more balance, so I'm able to corner faster and more consistently.
|Posted by: bless Feb 19 2009, 07:26 PM|
|i have seen people now turning to tune the NEW Z34 ! new hype!|
|Posted by: thebluewind25 Feb 20 2009, 04:31 AM|
| 350Z, S30, evo 8, 9, skyline R32,
and R34's are the most commonly used cars here in PH,
but im not one of the users of those, though i have an R34...
Subaru Impreza GC8 - My main car...
Nissan R34 - My back-up car
Toyota Supra JZA70 - "My Pet Turtle..."
|Posted by: raven111 Feb 21 2009, 01:02 PM|
| Most likely still the GT-Rs, CT9A, Supra80, and RX-7s for DX. 'Course, you can fit the RX-8 in there, too.
As for the new cars, the EX and Miata; down here, GRB's stil not in much use aside from myself and one other guy - far as I can see.
|Posted by: drazier101 Feb 27 2009, 09:10 PM|
|Mitsubishi... Very high top speed indeed... Got the right vote...|
|Posted by: Virus. Mar 23 2009, 12:10 PM|
|Evos , GTRs , RX8s , supras|
|Posted by: DDRFAN Mar 23 2009, 01:39 PM|
IT asking what car in GENERAL is used most often, not what you use most often, read the thread before you post please.
|Posted by: Virus. Mar 24 2009, 01:15 PM|
|lol srry =( and i did read it but read it super quick|
|Posted by: Jerry Liu Mar 24 2009, 07:16 PM|
|Everyone and their mom and their mom's mom has an EVO.|
|Posted by: ryanc_01 Jun 15 2009, 03:08 PM|
|I don't get it why people like evo so much|
|Posted by: WRX22B1998 Jun 15 2009, 04:48 PM|
| what do I use most? Well its tied between Subaru and Nissan, but lately ive been using Impreza GDB-C so i voted subaru.
what car is used most often, well i see fkn evo's everywhere, usually Evo 8. the next most common would be ... either R34 or R32.
I had a S15 before I got the Subaru, pretty uncommon. i only ever saw like 2 other people using that.
|Posted by: Austro Jun 16 2009, 12:49 AM|
| Legacys FTMFW.
Unique, baller cars
|Posted by: WRX22B1998 Jun 16 2009, 03:56 AM|
| lol topic is what is used most often
i have never seen anyone with subaru legacy.
|Posted by: xThai Jun 16 2009, 07:35 AM|
|EVO8, geez I know way too many people that use it.|
|Posted by: EnyCe Jun 16 2009, 04:23 PM|
LOL finally a new sig =P
& everyone picks Evo8 cause it's the best car in MT3, in terms of performance. Lol watch in DX, you're gonna see RX-8'S everywhere =P, since thats the new best car. (Evo8's got downgraded thats why). But i gotta admit, the ralliarts in Lancer's look mad sexy.
|Posted by: GT3 RS Aug 4 2009, 08:56 PM|
| Here,its actually balanced
The 6 ghost areas had these cars:
JZA80 (2 crowns)
But,thats just for the ghost kings
Its balanced between Mitsubishi,Nissan,and Subaru
But for the whole world........Mitsubishi
|Posted by: Paladinoras Aug 7 2009, 03:05 AM|
| Hmm, I have 2 R34s, an R32, and a 370Z.
I also have an E8 and an E9..
Together with a Supra...
And a GDB-F..
And an RX-8
LOL, I PLAY ALL!!!!
But Nissan is my fave, I guess. YEAH!!!!
|Posted by: blackcyborg009 Aug 9 2009, 03:21 AM|
| Lancer CT9A (this is a fact)
Then followed by the Mazda vehicles (esp. in DX), then the Nissan Z34 (for straight line power in DX). After that, I really dunno hehe.
|Posted by: Jerada Aug 9 2009, 11:41 AM|
|FD user here, but I'd have to agree with all the others. Mitsubishi cars are everywhere! It seems like a joke but no it isn't! Damn them rally cars! But frankly I'm a Mitsubishi fan irl myself, just that I thought of picking the FD to make myself different.|
|Posted by: winter07 Aug 11 2009, 02:13 AM|
|evos are definitely common, evo8 are easy to drive.|
|Posted by: SJFC143 Sep 7 2009, 02:30 PM|
| probably Mitsubishi since a lot of people use evo eight ,
since it's pretty well rounded .
|Posted by: DriftingVG Jan 16 2011, 11:46 PM|
|I didn't play with a mitsubishi. I was all about Nissan until like a year lol|
|Posted by: +-!mma_N00B-+ Jan 17 2011, 06:03 AM|
|Everyone in here knows that I'm a proud owner of an R34. But when my R33 gets FT'd, I'd use it as my main battle car|
|Posted by: theomarangelo Jun 11 2014, 05:57 AM|
| Well, ever since playing WMMT2, I've chosen Toyota. I remember battling against guys in a stock 80-series Toyota Supra(i was in 2nd Grade, it was 2004-ish...). When I got serious, in my first card I chose the Toyota Chaser, which I've been using ever since.
Now, as I'm starting out again in WMMT 4, Toyota still is my choice(an AE86 though...), but I still plan on using the chaser as the car was pretty important to me(sorry, getting sentimental here, haha!)
|Posted by: UbeR Jun 12 2014, 06:32 PM|
|I have a CTR and FD3S but when my R34 is finished, it will be probably be my main and last car. I will never own one of those bandwagon Lan Evo IXs|
|Posted by: )?3US Jun 13 2014, 01:02 AM|
| Okay so the Evo8 is easy to use (Tried as a guest) but Imprezas are much more fun.
Where I am there is Evo8s as crowns all the time, 65% of ghosts are 8s and usually renames, so that might be why I hate them so much
|Posted by: theomarangelo Jun 13 2014, 01:58 AM|
Yeah, I agree with you there...