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> Video Games. Past and Present. The future?, Where do you think there going?
AsakuraZ
Posted: Mar 9 2007, 11:05 AM
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To encourage more topic discussion on the forums, I've decided to start a topic that can involve practically everyone on this forum.

The topic is video games. Something everyone enjoys on this forum. This topic stems from a conversation I had with a fellow WM lover on a long drive.

Preety much the discussion is how you feel about video games being made nowadays. Do you feel as if video games are losing something compared to say 10 years ago? Are there fewer games being put out that really shine? Are developers putting more into graphics than say gameplay?

I'd honestly like to hear peoples thought on the subject. The gaming world has rapidly changed compared to the early 90's, when I can remember being 6 years old and picking up the Game Boy when it first came out.


Well hope to hear some interesting thoughts.
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Posted: Mar 9 2007, 01:06 PM
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Well, hmm...

There does seem to be more games out there than 10 years ago. But I have noted a general decline in overall quality in these games. I mean, yeah, there are quite a few games that come out and have good gameplay, but there are more games being released that just don't seem to have the same attention to making good gameplay. Rather, the emphasis for studios now seems to be more on releasing more games cheaply with shorter development runs; whereas before I think the emphasis was longer development times, but higher quality games (the emphasis is on quantity, rather than quality).

That being said, there are quite a few recent games that I like, and they do release good quality games still. So I guess it's less a degradation of the overall quality of the game industry's capabilities, and more just that they're spreading out thir talents too thinly to make great games. Instead, they just make lots of mediocre games with a few gems in their midst.
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Posted: Mar 9 2007, 02:31 PM
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I agree with Zanaduz. The emphasis has been turned to quantity over quality. It's obvious that many games nowadays are rushed to meet deadlines such as Christmas shopping or a system launch.

Many games for the older systems like Dreamcast, Playstation and N64 took years to make. They took their sweet time and it really paid off.

Over the years I felt that I was somewhat getting out of the video game phase but I just realized that the quality of games has just gone down. Very few games that are truly great. I still love to play games for hours on end but there are just not many of them that I can play over and over and not become tired with it.
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This definatly has to be the best topic I've seen on this forum so far. I think people have to get together and discuss where we are now and where we plan to go in the next 10,20,30yrs, as a community. I personally think that video/virtual gameing is heading in a direction that will revolutionalize the way we live our lives. Just think of how video gaming was perceaved 20 yrs ago and today. Gaming worldwide is a $7 BILLION dollor a year buisness, and that dosnt include how much it takes to make hardware,market games,inploy people to make them. There's a whole list of things to be said about how much video gameing effects economy and peole all over the world but to get back on track my main pain is that gameing is definately here to stay.
As part of Generation Y(people born 70's-90's) I'm proud to say that I was here to witness history takeing place. What we are experienceing now is the tech and information revolution that will go down in textbooks, something our children and their children will be experienceing the rewards of. Gameing played(is playing a huge roll) in how information,cultures,ideas, are spread throughout the world. 20yrs ago computers revolutionalized our world,then came internet.I can remember 94' when my mom got our first computer. My whole family was in awe of the idea of sending a message through e-mail to someone like my family in California all the way from chicago. And today I'm sending voice and picture messages to people on my friends list over XBOX Live!! VOICE AND PICTURE!!! When the first computers came out, games surely followed. People were interested in this new way to entertain themselves, and as it become popular developers keep trying to find new ways to experience this revolution. Arcade, Console, and eventually handheld gameing. Those developers on there way to makeing gaming more excessable to the masses discovered all types of technologies that are used in electronis today. Some of the discoveries theyve made are so important to the way we perfect technologies today, some things would simply not be possible without those discoveries.
As to the Game aspect of the industry. That is where I'm really glad to have been here for the changes. In my lifetime(and I'm only 17) I've seen the rise of console gameing. I've owned starting from 93' when I got Genesis: Jaguar,TurboDuo,SuperNES,Saturn,N64,Dreamcast,Playstation1,PS2,XBOX,Gamecube,Wii
,Xbox360, and I plan on getting a PS3 this summer. When I was a kid I was playing Super Mario Bros.2 on the GameBoy connect for SuperNES and thinking "Wow, This look amazeing, ever detail clear,like being in a movie..." I even start on the things I say when I play a new game for my 360. Games have come so far in the last 10yrs its almost too much to handle. I play games like GRAW, and I litteraly have to pinch myself to reming me that it was only a game!!!!! But lets also remember why we started playing games in the first place, to have fun, and recently to join the evergrowing community that revolves around gaming. Dont make buying a new game all about its graphics, but more about the overall gameplay, ask yourself "Do I have fun playing this game??"
The last thing I have to say about gaming is its culture. Gameing goes hand-in-hand with digital culture(i.e. Anime,Manga,cars,raceing,music,clothing,ect.) When you become a gamer you become part of a community, one that spans ever country,every color, every religion. And dont think for a second that you are alone in you intrest in gaming. And if you get made fun of or called names for likeing something, just remember that the person ridiculeing you is probobly doing it becouse they have NOTHING. Those type of people who pick on gamers and otaku are just putting on a show to cover up for their own lonelyness. If anything they are jelious as to how you have a whole community of people who enjoy the same things you do.
Sorry,just had to add that last part in,(kinnda goes along,maybe, I guess??) But anyways, I just saw some posts that bring up the idea of quanity over quality, great point. I as well as anyone who's not an "N Class Gamer" would see the trend the industry is taking in trying to pump out games faster and lean away from things that obviously dont matter like storylines and quality gameplay. Take for example the game XIII. Amazeing storyline, Prez get assinanated and your part of the conspirity, great overall gameplay, cell-shaded animation that was SO good and great controls, even had an online multiplayer mode over Xbox-Live! I thought Ubisoft had a new hit franchise until a few months later I when to my game store and saw hardly anyone had bought it, as seems to have been the case overall becouse a sequal was never made, even though it was completly set up for one. I asked the manager what he thought and he said it was probably b/c Rainbow Six: Black Arrow had launched about the same time and people bought it instead.(By the way that game was god awful, and a perfect example as what happen when you rush games). It makes me kinnda sad thta games like Shadow of the Collosisis,Oki,and Killer7 get shelved becouse of the newest installment of 1.Madden,2.WWE,2.Some GTA ripoff. SOMEONE HAVE THE BALLS TO BREAK OUT OF THIS MOLD!!!!! Let's hope developers can see that in the game industry,if any industry, should stress quality over quanity.
Well I've said my piece,kinnda long I know but I got 3hrs a day of studyhall at school so what the hell! Sorry for the grammer,(yah,it's kinnda sad a 17yr old Jr. cant spell)

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Posted: Apr 21 2007, 04:08 PM
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I agree with Hara, Video games may have better graphics and longer gameplay nowadays, but something is special about the old games.
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Posted: Apr 21 2007, 08:56 PM
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Did someone say classics?! grin2.gif

Here are mine i never got rid of it.

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Anyone else have stuff like this?

Yeah i agree games are just getting shinier but that flare of fun just isnt there anymore people seem to care alot about graphics these days. I miss the good ol days

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Posted: Apr 23 2007, 09:06 AM
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Heck ya, I remember that... Heck, I remember having to go through DOS to get the games up and running. I remember back then... Good times, heh.

And I also note that you have 3.5" floppies... I remember when an entire game was on one of those. Nowadays, a 3.5" floppy wouldn't be enough to hold the install executable, much less anything else. I remember when 1 MB was a lot of memory to use up... nowadays, 1 GB isn't a whole lot...

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Posted: Jul 23 2007, 05:07 PM
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I don't know about you guys, but I found out that the classic games are alittle harder than the futuristic ones, IMO.
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Posted: Jul 24 2007, 04:38 AM
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I remember playing prince of persia on DOS with my dad when I was young. Man, less than 10 years games have developed a lot. And it's developing to the point that there are no room for development (I think so, once you hit certain graphic level, no farther you can go. I mean, if game looks like reality then what? NO more need for graphic enhancers.).
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Posted: Jul 24 2007, 04:56 AM
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From 10 yrs. to now. Well Everything has improved laugh.gif Luv the Graphics now wink2.gif
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Posted: Jul 26 2007, 03:21 PM
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you cant say no to the classics wink2.gif .
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Posted: Jul 26 2007, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (tofu_boy86 @ Today at 3:21 PM)
you cant say no to the classics wink2.gif .

Thats true.

I still find myself playing pac man from time to time and tetris.
What I'm i saying, all the classics cool.gif
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Posted: Jul 26 2007, 08:22 PM
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QUOTE (Tchan @ Today at 7:01 PM)
Thats true.

I still find myself playing pac man from time to time and tetris.
What I'm i saying, all the classics cool.gif

Pac-man never dies. Even if hes racing in wangan in a Hi-Ace laugh.gif
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Posted: Jul 26 2007, 08:36 PM
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Look i still play Dig dug now thats a Game laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif.
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Posted: Aug 7 2007, 09:04 PM
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Gaming huh?? I like this topic a lot. I have always put a lot of thought into this. Mainly, I did due to the fact that, my taste in games are different than the average. I enjoy the off-the-wall titles. Games people look at and say, "this looks gay."

believe me, those games can be some of the greatest moments in your life. Just to name a few.

The Ape Escape Series. Yep... all of them. The only one I haven't beaten is Million Monkeys. (it was never released state side. ) dry.gif

The Jet Set Radio Series. I wanted to get an Xbox, still do, for this game only. I love the series with a passion. It was an experience like no other.

Galerians (PS1) and Galerians: Ash (PS2) Great games.

Bangai-O!! This game was on the Dreamcast. Great game.

I could go on. But, my point is, games have lost that grip. The grip on you that never lets you go. Just like when you played Super Mario 64 for the 1st time. You hadn't even played it, just turned it on. You see mario's Big freakin Head pop on your tv and your Jaw hits the floor and you have Mario's face burned into your brain for the rest of your life. w00t2.gif

I will say this, last gen consoles (ex: xbox, the cube and ps2) that I would have to say is the time where the games started to fall. The companies got pushy trying to win. But, I think this time around they learned that, no one is going to win these "Console Wars" as we call it and are focusing on bringing the Grip back into games.

To each Thy Own.

So, this time around, I have started to feel that "Grip" that I felt years ago with the older games. It is back in action.

The Grip!!!!!!111oneoneone pinch2.gif

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QUOTE (wangan_sti @ Jul 26 2007, 11:22 PM)
Pac-man never dies. Even if hes racing in wangan in a Hi-Ace laugh.gif

LOL...
Ever since I saw that, I play pacman when I get home.
It would b funny if MT has mrs. pacman laugh.gif
and their theme song is their song.
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QUOTE (Sunzabuto @ Mar 14 2007, 05:04 AM)
This definatly has to be the best topic I've seen on this forum so far. I think people have to get together and discuss where we are now and where we plan to go in the next 10,20,30yrs, as a community. I personally think that video/virtual gameing is heading in a direction that will revolutionalize the way we live our lives. Just think of how video gaming was perceaved 20 yrs ago and today. Gaming worldwide is a $7 BILLION dollor a year buisness, and that dosnt include how much it takes to make hardware,market games,inploy people to make them. There's a whole list of things to be said about how much video gameing effects economy and peole all over the world but to get back on track my main pain is that gameing is definately here to stay.
As part of Generation Y(people born 70's-90's) I'm proud to say that I was here to witness history takeing place. What we are experienceing now is the tech and information revolution that will go down in textbooks, something our children and their children will be experienceing the rewards of. Gameing played(is playing a huge roll) in how information,cultures,ideas, are spread throughout the world. 20yrs ago computers revolutionalized our world,then came internet.I can remember 94' when my mom got our first computer. My whole family was in awe of the idea of sending a message through e-mail to someone like my family in California all the way from chicago. And today I'm sending voice and picture messages to people on my friends list over XBOX Live!! VOICE AND PICTURE!!! When the first computers came out, games surely followed. People were interested in this new way to entertain themselves, and as it become popular developers keep trying to find new ways to experience this revolution. Arcade, Console, and eventually handheld gameing. Those developers on there way to makeing gaming more excessable to the masses discovered all types of technologies that are used in electronis today. Some of the discoveries theyve made are so important to the way we perfect technologies today, some things would simply not be possible without those discoveries.
As to the Game aspect of the industry. That is where I'm really glad to have been here for the changes. In my lifetime(and I'm only 17) I've seen the rise of console gameing. I've owned starting from 93' when I got Genesis: Jaguar,TurboDuo,SuperNES,Saturn,N64,Dreamcast,Playstation1,PS2,XBOX,Gamecube,Wii
,Xbox360, and I plan on getting a PS3 this summer. When I was a kid I was playing Super Mario Bros.2 on the GameBoy connect for SuperNES and thinking "Wow, This look amazeing, ever detail clear,like being in a movie..." I even start on the things I say when I play a new game for my 360. Games have come so far in the last 10yrs its almost too much to handle. I play games like GRAW, and I litteraly have to pinch myself to reming me that it was only a game!!!!! But lets also remember why we started playing games in the first place, to have fun, and recently to join the evergrowing community that revolves around gaming. Dont make buying a new game all about its graphics, but more about the overall gameplay, ask yourself "Do I have fun playing this game??"
The last thing I have to say about gaming is its culture. Gameing goes hand-in-hand with digital culture(i.e. Anime,Manga,cars,raceing,music,clothing,ect.) When you become a gamer you become part of a community, one that spans ever country,every color, every religion. And dont think for a second that you are alone in you intrest in gaming. And if you get made fun of or called names for likeing something, just remember that the person ridiculeing you is probobly doing it becouse they have NOTHING. Those type of people who pick on gamers and otaku are just putting on a show to cover up for their own lonelyness. If anything they are jelious as to how you have a whole community of people who enjoy the same things you do.
Sorry,just had to add that last part in,(kinnda goes along,maybe, I guess??) But anyways, I just saw some posts that bring up the idea of quanity over quality, great point. I as well as anyone who's not an "N Class Gamer" would see the trend the industry is taking in trying to pump out games faster and lean away from things that obviously dont matter like storylines and quality gameplay. Take for example the game XIII. Amazeing storyline, Prez get assinanated and your part of the conspirity, great overall gameplay, cell-shaded animation that was SO good and great controls, even had an online multiplayer mode over Xbox-Live! I thought Ubisoft had a new hit franchise until a few months later I when to my game store and saw hardly anyone had bought it, as seems to have been the case overall becouse a sequal was never made, even though it was completly set up for one. I asked the manager what he thought and he said it was probably b/c Rainbow Six: Black Arrow had launched about the same time and people bought it instead.(By the way that game was god awful, and a perfect example as what happen when you rush games). It makes me kinnda sad thta games like Shadow of the Collosisis,Oki,and Killer7 get shelved becouse of the newest installment of 1.Madden,2.WWE,2.Some GTA ripoff. SOMEONE HAVE THE BALLS TO BREAK OUT OF THIS MOLD!!!!! Let's hope developers can see that in the game industry,if any industry, should stress quality over quanity.
Well I've said my piece,kinnda long I know but I got 3hrs a day of studyhall at school so what the hell! Sorry for the grammer,(yah,it's kinnda sad a 17yr old Jr. cant spell)

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What a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong post... it's the longest I've seen!!! grin2.gif
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the dawn of video gaming ... been here, stayed here .. and killed more than enough enemies that you have ever imagined ...

it started off with the DOS, snake game ... then came the language Basic which gives u the DOS game, gorilla ... every old DOS game has evolved ... Gorilla was evolved to the ever loving Gunbound ...

Games is something which brings ppl together ...

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