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> Your wangan monster, what would it be?
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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 04:19 PM
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A lot of the guys in japan that run wangan, or aqua line run on stock wings, or wingless. I.E: R33, R34, FD, Some Supra, Corvette, and Viper. All the car's i know that run wangan line with huge aero parts are always slow in the dead last of the pack. I have been on the wangan at least a few times in various cars, including Rx7s and Supras.

How do you think lamborghini's and ferraris stay stable on the autobahn without GT Wings? Lowering the car to it's limits is not ideal for wangan depending on road conditions, but even cars are race-car ride heights can benefit from it. Having a balanced car with good suspension stroke, and Z rated tires helps for the most part. 320 km/h is achievable with 500-600 horsepower and good gearing. The stock JZA80 V160 and V161 Gearboxes are good for 200 mph anyway. So are the vipers, and corvettes.

I drove a wingless R33 GT-R and a stock bodied E46 M3 at over 160 mph on the street and i was fine, and that was in so cal too (crappy road conditions). This was a few years ago.

Do not confuse wangan, aqua-line with C1 (shutoko), and rainbow bridge line. The latter 2 are very technical. You can see the difference between a 450 hp car (C5-Z06) that is a road race car vs a 650 hp (JZA80) top speed car really quickly. It takes a lot for 600 hp to keep up with a more well balanced car.

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Posted: Jun 6 2008, 04:49 PM
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Just a comment: Gear boxes and rear ends should not be rated by the speed that they can achieve, but rather by the torque that they can handle, as that is really the killer.


That being said, my monster would be a S30Z, with a twin turbo LS7 or 511ci LSX engine. Dish the pistons to get it down to around 7.5:1 CR, wheel arch flares with the widest tires possible, all all the aerodynamic tricks that the guys at HybridZ discovered in their wind tunnel testing (ie: roof line vortex generators, rear wing, reinforced front air dam, partially blocked off radiator opening, etc. Upgrade the suspension to take the turns and the power, oil coolers, tranny oil cooler, rear end oil cooler, the works.
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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 12:06 AM
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  Posted: Jun 7 2008, 08:39 AM
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Im getting a Z in 4 months, does anyone know for sure, where i can find a twin turbo kit for an L28?
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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 10:34 AM
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Im getting a Z in 4 months, does anyone know for sure, where i can find a twin turbo kit for an L28?

To my knowledge you'd have to build one.

You'd be fine with a single turbo
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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (BmwNeoType @ Yesterday at 4:19 PM)
A lot of the guys in japan that run wangan, or aqua line run on stock wings, or wingless. I.E: R33, R34, FD, Some Supra, Corvette, and Viper. All the car's i know that run wangan line with huge aero parts are always slow in the dead last of the pack. I have been on the wangan at least a few times in various cars, including Rx7s and Supras.

How do you think lamborghini's and ferraris stay stable on the autobahn without GT Wings? Lowering the car to it's limits is not ideal for wangan depending on road conditions, but even cars are race-car ride heights can benefit from it. Having a balanced car with good suspension stroke, and Z rated tires helps for the most part. 320 km/h is achievable with 500-600 horsepower and good gearing. The stock JZA80 V160 and V161 Gearboxes are good for 200 mph anyway. So are the vipers, and corvettes.

I drove a wingless R33 GT-R and a stock bodied E46 M3 at over 160 mph on the street and i was fine, and that was in so cal too (crappy road conditions). This was a few years ago.

Do not confuse wangan, aqua-line with C1 (shutoko), and rainbow bridge line. The latter 2 are very technical. You can see the difference between a 450 hp car (C5-Z06) that is a road race car vs a 650 hp (JZA80) top speed car really quickly. It takes a lot for 600 hp to keep up with a more well balanced car.

As long as those cars are stock bodied, it should be fine because they were properly engineered aerodynamically. You brought up running "ground effects" (which is ricer talk and only lowers your credibility) but no wing... which is just asking for trouble. Think of aerodynamics on the car like a see-saw... you push down on one side (downforce) and the other side goes up. (lift) Even if you slap a simple front splitter on, it would produce so much downforce that your car would oversteer like crazy from the lift produced on the rear. Also, what is this talk about Z rated tires? Even my parents run Z rated tires and they only drive boring cars. Are you saying you don't run Z rated tires? haha.

Z-FREAK: I would look into an engine swap if you wanted to build yourself a devil Z. I would go with an SR20DET or a RB25DET, as those are all done and proven and have tremendous potential. SR20DET's can achieve 400whp on stock block. If you need more than that, I'd go with the RB25DET and you can mate up RB26DETT parts to make over 1000whp if you wanted. I think the Devil Z only made something like 800hp. I would caution you that if you aren't used to fast cars that you should set more conservative goals. I'm sure you'll be shitting yourself with a bone stock swap of either variation. Hell most kids slap on an intake on their ratty old honda accord and think they can smoke anyone.
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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 02:59 PM
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Since when was ground effects a ricer term? ROFL, People have been using the term to talk about undercarriage aerodynamics for a while now...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effects

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_cars

Maybe you are thinking of this? Ricer companies love to use words like DOWNFORCE, GROUND EFFECTS, to sell cheap junk.

http://www.erebunicorp.com/wings/hcivic96.htm

I do not know what car's your parents drive, LOL, but you can run Z rated tires on any car, even a honda civic. Z , W, Y, or V is the speed rating on a tire, and the speed, and load the tire can handle. Z is the highest level, made for over 170-180 mph +

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp?techid=35

Un-necessary aero parts only add drag, and the kind of aerodynamic modifications done varies a lot and is more suited to the type of racing done.

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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 04:13 PM
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mine would be

a gutted Nissan S13

LS1 swap with blower cam and lower compression heads
total engine rebuild with forged rods/crank
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built T56 transmission

Nissan J30 rear diff.

suspension tuned for high speed handling
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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 07:05 PM
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QUOTE (BmwNeoType @ Today at 3:59 PM)
I do not know what car's your parents drive, LOL, but you can run Z rated tires on any car, even a honda civic. Z , W, Y, or V is the speed rating on a tire, and the speed, and load the tire can handle. Z is the highest level, made for over 170-180 mph +


Actually, Z is NOT the highest rating. Z is VERY imprecise, and just says that it can do better than 149. W means up to 168, Y means up to 186, and (Y) means 186+.
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Posted: Jun 7 2008, 07:41 PM
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^ This is true (sorry for the vagueness), but it is the highest compared to M, N, P, Q, R, S, T, U, and V.

And then Z is broken down into subcategories to make it more specific ( a more recent addition ) . I should have mentioned that more clearly. W and Y are just subcategories in "Z".

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Posted: Jun 8 2008, 02:45 PM
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what would the zr rating be up to? im running a set of dunlop's on my camaro but i cant remember if it was 186 or whatnot.
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Posted: Jun 9 2008, 04:16 PM
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I notice a lot of guys doubting the authenticity of ceratin claims.. For any of you guys that doubt BMW Neotype's credibility on this subject: I have seen the things he has done in Japan and here. The man knows what he's talking about. Show him a little respect.

Regarding Aero- certain spoilers can create lots of drag but not useful downforce. Good for slowing down in an emergency since it doesn't upset the rear wheels AS much when the slowdown occurs and there's not as sudden a transition. Bad for high speed. From what BMWNeo has shown me, a lot of wangan runners (at least the fast ones) seem to run stock or close to stock wings.

PS... [sarcasm]yes I'm sure the Ferrari F1 team are a bunch of ricer punks because they want to go do multi million dollar wind tunnel telemetry of their team car's ground effects...[/sarcasm] dry.gif

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Posted: Jun 9 2008, 04:36 PM
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Posted: Jun 9 2008, 09:43 PM
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J, it is ok. I am always down to learn new things as long as people can back up their claims. A lot of stuff is speculation vs tried and tested methods. Jun Auto Mechanic, Top Secret and those guys never had GT Wings on their 330-340 km/h cars. I will gladly admit any mistakes i make.
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Posted: Jun 10 2008, 08:12 PM
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I never said I wanted a spoiler for effectiveness. laugh.gif

GT wings look sweet on kitted 7's. Yeah, that's boarder line rice. laugh.gif
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Posted: Aug 4 2008, 09:19 PM
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Id use my EVO 8 with the following modifications;

-Jun 2.2L Bottom End
-Fully Port/Polished Head
-280 Degree Cams w/ 12mm Lift (Springs, retainers, etc)
-Trust T67 Turbo Kit
-3" Exhaust System
-Trust Intercooler Kit
-Oversize ARC radiator
-HKS Oilcooler Kit
-Stripped Interior
-Rollcage
-Carbon Roof
-Carbon Doors
-Carbon Bonnet
-Carbon Front Guards
-Carbon Trunk
-Carbon Adjustable GT Wing
-Carbon Front Lip
-Carbon Canyards
-Carbon Vortex Generator
-Underfloor Pans
-DMS Coilovers
-Cusco Chasis Bracing & Swaybars
-18*9.5" CE28N Wheels w/ 265/35 R18 Semi slicks

Thats all I can think of ATM..
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Posted: Aug 5 2008, 05:43 AM
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My BMW Z4 after taking it to G-Power and dropping in the M5 V10 engine and supercharging it to a maximum of 730hp top speed of the Z4 with the m5 engine without supercharging is 223mph so at 730hp I can only dream of top speed.


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Posted: Aug 5 2008, 07:38 PM
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Two cars have to be the Wangan Monsters,

1972 Nissan Fairlady Z (S30)

LS7 engine swap
Lingenfelter transmission, twin-turbocharger and other engine components
Brembo Gran Turismo brakes
Black 8 point roll cage and weight reduction with exception of A/C and car radio (That means no backseat!)
Body kit, fenders and spoiler similar to Akio's S30Z (I don't even know the name of it.)
Tein racing coilovers and dampers
BRIDE bucket seats
OMP Racing GP steering wheel kit
Konig Rewind with Bridgestone Potenza RE960 AS Pole Position
Nogaro Red color

1998 Toyota Supra RZ

2UZ-FE engine swap (2003 Tundra Engine)
B&M short shifter, A.C.T. Xtreme clutch kit, HKS GT2835 twin turbo Kit and HKS racing intercooler
TTC Performance custom billet stroker kit 5.5L
K&N cold air intake 77 Series
Do-Luck JZA80 late model body kit
VIS JGT Carbon Fiber hood
TRD 3000GT Type-S rear wing
Few weight reductions (The backseat remains there as well as A/C and car radio.)
TRD suspension kit
BRIDE reclining seats
MOMO MOD.69 steering wheel kit
TSW Mondello 18" with Yokohama S.Drive
Dark Gray Metallic color

I pick V8 swaps on both cars and I'm always a V8 freak.


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Posted: Aug 5 2008, 08:23 PM
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An '86 Omni! biggrin.gif lol j/k

'69 Charger Daytona , 528 Hemi, big turbo, T-56 6-spd, Dana 60 rear w/ 3.73 or 4.10 gears, custom coil-over suspension, programmable EFI, 18" rims

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'05-up Viper GTS-R, Hennessey or Stryker twin turbo kit, race suspension

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Posted: Aug 6 2008, 12:19 AM
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i forgot about the callaway sledgehammer vette that'd be my other car.

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Posted: Aug 6 2008, 01:26 PM
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S30Z with a twin turbocharged 572 making 1300hp on low boost probably to much on high or medium

S30Z
572 GM Crate engine
Twin KKK turbochargers
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Extreme bodt renforcement
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The highest speed tires i can get with my unlimited funds
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Posted: Aug 6 2008, 02:47 PM
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Hmm let me see i need 4-wheels. Lots of power. Don't know how fast it goes. All Check. I choose you Chrysler Tomahawk.

http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-def/Dodg...ch-1024x768.jpg

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Posted: Aug 6 2008, 08:44 PM
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1994 supra jza80 for me!!!
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Posted: Aug 6 2008, 10:49 PM
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Nissan Skyline R35 GTR (the new one)

Painted black.

18-19 inch bbs rims painted black.

Xenon headlamps.

All luxury items removed, apart from a ridiculously big sound system, which I payed some scientist to make weightless. Or something. tongue.gif

Sparco bucket seats.

HKS Turbo, up to whatever the highest possible boost is xD

GReddy intercooler.

HKS exhaust system.

Yokohama tires.

Tein or Eibach suspension system, not lowered rediculously, just by a couple of inches.

Sparco steering wheel.

Maybe a subtle lip spoiler, none of those riced up bodykits please! xP

Idk what else, this is just what came to my head, can't be bothered to type any more :]
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Posted: Aug 10 2008, 05:26 PM
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Here's mine.

2008 Tube Frame.
1985 Fiero GT GTU fibreglass bodyskin.
Working headlights, taillights, and indicators.
Two seats.
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Now, the really fun part.

Engine:
Ferrari E4A-94/043 3.5l V12.

BHP - ~700.
Torques - ~350.
Max Revs - 13,500rpm.

Gearbox:
Ferrari Formula 1 7-speed sequential gearbox. However, it would be made to withstand more than just 4 Formula 1 races.

Basically, it's a 1994 Ferrari 412T, placed under a tube frame, and Fiero bodywork.
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