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Your wangan monster, what would it be?
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A lot of the guys in japan that run wangan, or aqua line run on stock wings, or wingless. I.E: R33, R34, FD, Some Supra, Corvette, and Viper. All the car's i know that run wangan line with huge aero parts are always slow in the dead last of the pack. I have been on the wangan at least a few times in various cars, including Rx7s and Supras.
How do you think lamborghini's and ferraris stay stable on the autobahn without GT Wings? Lowering the car to it's limits is not ideal for wangan depending on road conditions, but even cars are race-car ride heights can benefit from it. Having a balanced car with good suspension stroke, and Z rated tires helps for the most part. 320 km/h is achievable with 500-600 horsepower and good gearing. The stock JZA80 V160 and V161 Gearboxes are good for 200 mph anyway. So are the vipers, and corvettes.
I drove a wingless R33 GT-R and a stock bodied E46 M3 at over 160 mph on the street and i was fine, and that was in so cal too (crappy road conditions). This was a few years ago.
Do not confuse wangan, aqua-line with C1 (shutoko), and rainbow bridge line. The latter 2 are very technical. You can see the difference between a 450 hp car (C5-Z06) that is a road race car vs a 650 hp (JZA80) top speed car really quickly. It takes a lot for 600 hp to keep up with a more well balanced car.
This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Jun 6 2008, 04:20 PM
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Just a comment: Gear boxes and rear ends should not be rated by the speed that they can achieve, but rather by the torque that they can handle, as that is really the killer.
That being said, my monster would be a S30Z, with a twin turbo LS7 or 511ci LSX engine. Dish the pistons to get it down to around 7.5:1 CR, wheel arch flares with the widest tires possible, all all the aerodynamic tricks that the guys at HybridZ discovered in their wind tunnel testing (ie: roof line vortex generators, rear wing, reinforced front air dam, partially blocked off radiator opening, etc. Upgrade the suspension to take the turns and the power, oil coolers, tranny oil cooler, rear end oil cooler, the works.
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Im getting a Z in 4 months, does anyone know for sure, where i can find a twin turbo kit for an L28?
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QUOTE (BmwNeoType @ Yesterday at 4:19 PM) | A lot of the guys in japan that run wangan, or aqua line run on stock wings, or wingless. I.E: R33, R34, FD, Some Supra, Corvette, and Viper. All the car's i know that run wangan line with huge aero parts are always slow in the dead last of the pack. I have been on the wangan at least a few times in various cars, including Rx7s and Supras.
How do you think lamborghini's and ferraris stay stable on the autobahn without GT Wings? Lowering the car to it's limits is not ideal for wangan depending on road conditions, but even cars are race-car ride heights can benefit from it. Having a balanced car with good suspension stroke, and Z rated tires helps for the most part. 320 km/h is achievable with 500-600 horsepower and good gearing. The stock JZA80 V160 and V161 Gearboxes are good for 200 mph anyway. So are the vipers, and corvettes.
I drove a wingless R33 GT-R and a stock bodied E46 M3 at over 160 mph on the street and i was fine, and that was in so cal too (crappy road conditions). This was a few years ago.
Do not confuse wangan, aqua-line with C1 (shutoko), and rainbow bridge line. The latter 2 are very technical. You can see the difference between a 450 hp car (C5-Z06) that is a road race car vs a 650 hp (JZA80) top speed car really quickly. It takes a lot for 600 hp to keep up with a more well balanced car. |
As long as those cars are stock bodied, it should be fine because they were properly engineered aerodynamically. You brought up running "ground effects" (which is ricer talk and only lowers your credibility) but no wing... which is just asking for trouble. Think of aerodynamics on the car like a see-saw... you push down on one side (downforce) and the other side goes up. (lift) Even if you slap a simple front splitter on, it would produce so much downforce that your car would oversteer like crazy from the lift produced on the rear. Also, what is this talk about Z rated tires? Even my parents run Z rated tires and they only drive boring cars. Are you saying you don't run Z rated tires? haha.
Z-FREAK: I would look into an engine swap if you wanted to build yourself a devil Z. I would go with an SR20DET or a RB25DET, as those are all done and proven and have tremendous potential. SR20DET's can achieve 400whp on stock block. If you need more than that, I'd go with the RB25DET and you can mate up RB26DETT parts to make over 1000whp if you wanted. I think the Devil Z only made something like 800hp. I would caution you that if you aren't used to fast cars that you should set more conservative goals. I'm sure you'll be shitting yourself with a bone stock swap of either variation. Hell most kids slap on an intake on their ratty old honda accord and think they can smoke anyone.
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Since when was ground effects a ricer term? ROFL, People have been using the term to talk about undercarriage aerodynamics for a while now... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effectshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_carsMaybe you are thinking of this? Ricer companies love to use words like DOWNFORCE, GROUND EFFECTS, to sell cheap junk. http://www.erebunicorp.com/wings/hcivic96.htmI do not know what car's your parents drive, LOL, but you can run Z rated tires on any car, even a honda civic. Z , W, Y, or V is the speed rating on a tire, and the speed, and load the tire can handle. Z is the highest level, made for over 170-180 mph + http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/tec...e.jsp?techid=35Un-necessary aero parts only add drag, and the kind of aerodynamic modifications done varies a lot and is more suited to the type of racing done. This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Jun 7 2008, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE (BmwNeoType @ Today at 3:59 PM) | I do not know what car's your parents drive, LOL, but you can run Z rated tires on any car, even a honda civic. Z , W, Y, or V is the speed rating on a tire, and the speed, and load the tire can handle. Z is the highest level, made for over 170-180 mph +
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Actually, Z is NOT the highest rating. Z is VERY imprecise, and just says that it can do better than 149. W means up to 168, Y means up to 186, and (Y) means 186+.
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^ This is true (sorry for the vagueness), but it is the highest compared to M, N, P, Q, R, S, T, U, and V.
And then Z is broken down into subcategories to make it more specific ( a more recent addition ) . I should have mentioned that more clearly. W and Y are just subcategories in "Z".
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I notice a lot of guys doubting the authenticity of ceratin claims.. For any of you guys that doubt BMW Neotype's credibility on this subject: I have seen the things he has done in Japan and here. The man knows what he's talking about. Show him a little respect. Regarding Aero- certain spoilers can create lots of drag but not useful downforce. Good for slowing down in an emergency since it doesn't upset the rear wheels AS much when the slowdown occurs and there's not as sudden a transition. Bad for high speed. From what BMWNeo has shown me, a lot of wangan runners (at least the fast ones) seem to run stock or close to stock wings. PS... [sarcasm]yes I'm sure the Ferrari F1 team are a bunch of ricer punks because they want to go do multi million dollar wind tunnel telemetry of their team car's ground effects...[/sarcasm] This post has been edited by The J on Jun 9 2008, 04:26 PM
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J, it is ok. I am always down to learn new things as long as people can back up their claims. A lot of stuff is speculation vs tried and tested methods. Jun Auto Mechanic, Top Secret and those guys never had GT Wings on their 330-340 km/h cars. I will gladly admit any mistakes i make.
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An '86 Omni! lol j/k '69 Charger Daytona , 528 Hemi, big turbo, T-56 6-spd, Dana 60 rear w/ 3.73 or 4.10 gears, custom coil-over suspension, programmable EFI, 18" rims or '05-up Viper GTS-R, Hennessey or Stryker twin turbo kit, race suspension This post has been edited by Force Fed Mopar on Aug 5 2008, 08:24 PM
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S30Z with a twin turbocharged 572 making 1300hp on low boost probably to much on high or medium S30Z 572 GM Crate engine Twin KKK turbochargers Intercooler Extreme bodt renforcement Custom suspension Racing wing so called "Ground Effect" to keep er from flying off the ground The highest speed tires i can get with my unlimited funds Wangan Driving school CF/Aluminum alloy with some titanium roof and trunk lid
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Nissan Skyline R35 GTR (the new one) Painted black. 18-19 inch bbs rims painted black. Xenon headlamps. All luxury items removed, apart from a ridiculously big sound system, which I payed some scientist to make weightless. Or something. Sparco bucket seats. HKS Turbo, up to whatever the highest possible boost is xD GReddy intercooler. HKS exhaust system. Yokohama tires. Tein or Eibach suspension system, not lowered rediculously, just by a couple of inches. Sparco steering wheel. Maybe a subtle lip spoiler, none of those riced up bodykits please! xP Idk what else, this is just what came to my head, can't be bothered to type any more :]
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Here's mine. 2008 Tube Frame. 1985 Fiero GT GTU fibreglass bodyskin. Working headlights, taillights, and indicators. Two seats. Now, the really fun part. Engine: Ferrari E4A-94/043 3.5l V12. BHP - ~700. Torques - ~350. Max Revs - 13,500rpm. Gearbox: Ferrari Formula 1 7-speed sequential gearbox. However, it would be made to withstand more than just 4 Formula 1 races. Basically, it's a 1994 Ferrari 412T, placed under a tube frame, and Fiero bodywork.
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