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> MR2 Issues Part II, Because one thread wasnt good enough
MaikazeFD3S
Posted: Mar 13 2009, 05:17 PM
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I hope the admins/mods dont mind, but I feel as if I should start a new thread for this one, this will continue on the drama of my MR2. The previous thread is titled "Current MR2 rebuilding issues" and my cars profile "Im so happy" which were both made recently, if you cant find them in the automotive section and your interested in looking at them, I will send a link.

This happens about three weeks ago, and I havent gotten around to discussing it entirely, but...

I was driving around Sakura-chan, breaking the motor in for daily driving (The first 50 miles) and ended up meeting with a few friends at a elementary school across the street from my house for a mini car meet. We noticed a tiny spot from under my car, and couldnt identify it. So, I took it backl across the street and pulled it in my driveway. I figure it was manual trans fluid or brake fluid that I spilled in my front truck filling the resivour (I honestly did).

I went to go grab the jack, to look underneath and watched my friends pull up to give me a hand, looked bad at my car, and to the horror of a puddle of gasoline larger then the car itself.

I paniced, grabbed the fire-extinquisher and I was the only one who was willing to get close enough to running car leaking gas to shut it off and disconnect the battery.

Half my tank of gas was gone...6 gallons, I filled it proir to the mini-meet.

So, not the fun begins. I look in the interior and the gas made it into the cockpit and submerged the carpeting. It was not like this when I brought it home, 50psi of 93 octane was leaking into the passengers compartment. I started stripping the the entire poor cars interior, to find wiring (Great..) and sound deadening tar and foam eaten by the petrol.

The issue was a fuel line with a crack, from pure time/wear and tear or it was rubbing, its hard to tell...but I have to fix it so I'll triple check that everything is mounted properly before I continue.

It took me about 30 hours of scraping and cleaning, but I have managed to get her interior cleaned up to a tidy stripped state. I have not fired up the car since then, letting all the gasoline fumes air out, and Im removing the boost controller because I want to break in the engine on stock boost, not one that been temperd with (Spool time, waste gate duty, peak boost pressure ect.) by the Greddy Profec B II.

Heres the question:

A: Fix fuel lines, finish removal of boost contoller and drive the car/break it in. Then reinstall the boost controller and install new fuel system set-up and turbo to make a reliable 350whp, and continue with my array of other modifacations that I have money for currently.

B: Fix fuel lines, finish removal of boost contoller and drive the car/break it in. Then reinstall the boost controller and sell the car, start a new project once I come across the right car. If this happens, I will not get another car right away and it will not be a MR2 for sure.

I havent done anything to my car as of the past 2 weeks, Ive been busy and I need a break from her anyways...I have mixed feelings. It could have been worse, it could have ignited, and I would have lost a car...or even worse someone could have gotten hurt. Thankfully none of that has happened.

Im done with my second novel now...
Mike

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Posted: Mar 13 2009, 06:26 PM
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trust e man i've had some of the same thoughts about salina after both the trannis gave out 1 after another. i say stick with is man (A) personally i am looking into engine swaps to get rid of the rotary but i'm gonna stick with the chassis. i know it may seem all for not but once you get the engine broke in,boost turned up, and on a nice road you'll relise it was all worth it.
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Posted: Mar 14 2009, 08:16 AM
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QUOTE (SouthSideSlider @ Yesterday, 6:26 PM)
trust e man i've had some of the same thoughts about salina after both the trannis gave out 1 after another. i say stick with is man (A) personally i am looking into engine swaps to get rid of the rotary but i'm gonna stick with the chassis. i know it may seem all for not but once you get the engine broke in,boost turned up, and on a nice road you'll relise it was all worth it.

Aw man, the rotary is the heart and soul of an Rx-7... How could you...



Hateskylines- I don't know wtf Toyota was thinking, routing a fuel line through the cockpit, but that's bad ju-ju. If it were up to me, I'd make a new line that runs OUTSIDE, and under the car or around the cabin area. Just make sure its protected and has rubber isolators every few feet. Stick with the car, you've put a lot of effort into making it powerful, now you get to focus on correcting the manufacturer's dumb mistakes in order to refine the car.
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Posted: Mar 14 2009, 12:39 PM
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What this fellow above me said. Take the oppurtunity to fix it up nice. Compared to what youve been through redoing the fuel line is a small drop in the bucket towards having an extremely nice car that youll greatly enjoy.
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Posted: Mar 14 2009, 08:34 PM
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I'm going to make another post for emphasis.

Don't give up on your MR2. That is an awesome car, despite the problems you've been having. You know why she's being so hard on you? Because you're ignoring her and not spending enough time and putting your heart and soul into the car. My Z took forever to start running again when I began this project. Why? Because like women, cars get pissed when you don't pay enough attention to them. Call me crazy and superstitious, but that's what I believe. Your car has a soul, and rather than letting it beat you down into a QUITTER, you need to appease it. No one likes a quitter anyways. Give yourself a break once in a while, but come back with the full determination to make everything right. Making a troublesome vehicle behave is one of the things that will define your character.

Does this post sound harsh? Maybe it is. But I sincerely hope you're not going to give up on this MR2 and prove all those naysaying f*cks right when they said "save this MR2 from this 17 year old". I certainly wouldn't.
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Posted: Mar 14 2009, 09:56 PM
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Good god man, your car is nothing but problems. I really hope that you can get it working sometime. You still owe me a ride on the highway. :3

Oddmanout - Trust me, he doesn't ignore this car. He loves it like you wouldn't believe. Don't patronize him for errors.
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Posted: Mar 15 2009, 05:52 AM
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I spend all my spare time on this car, but recently...I have had to take a break. My family, friends and co-workers see the difference in me. It isnt preety, Im not nearly as happy-go-lucky as I was, stressed out constantly and alot more quiet. I do agree with your statement about cars having souls, and to make the car run happily, I do need to appease it. I will finish the car and continue the project or sell it soon afterwards if I take that route.
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Posted: Mar 15 2009, 06:03 PM
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There are times that when you're working on something, something that takes alot of effort, not jsut a car, but anything, things can add up, pushing you to the edge.

You put in all this work, all this time, and were are you now? No where better than where you started, it frustrates the hell out of you, and you just want to say screw it, and get rid of it.

However, after all the work is done, after all of the work you put into it, your heart and soul, the end result makes you so happy, to see how it turned out for you, and what you accomplished, there really isn't any better feeling in the entire world, than finishing a project you worked so hard on. I klnow that feeling, that's how I felt with my truck, unfortunately I got into an accident with it, and let me tell you, seeing something you worked so hard on, gone in an instant, it hurts.

Don't give up on it man, just don't, you be glad you did, after all the blood, sweat, and tears put into it.
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Posted: Mar 15 2009, 07:06 PM
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If I want to fix a car and I don't want anything to get in my way- I think to myself: This car is a part of your family; It's sick; It's my job to make it better. Sometimes they don't want to get better and its frustrating but you just have to keep cracking at it till they get well again.
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Posted: Mar 15 2009, 07:34 PM
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Ive already said it before so ill say it again fix the car and enjoy it selling it is just another way of giving up
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Posted: Mar 16 2009, 09:27 AM
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Thanks for the input, but I havent made up my mind.
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Posted: Mar 16 2009, 10:09 AM
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oh lord..... Keep the car.

Atleast you know where you stand with your problems.

I've had fuel leaks, snapped cams, damaged fuel tanks, smoke billowing from under the hood, massive over heating problems, serious timing issues, I've had the exhaust yanked off of the car wile i was pulling into my shop..... You name it, and it's happened to me. Some of the things had no logical reason behind them either. The overheating problem.... never did figure out what was causing it. Consulted a lot of Z car experts.... After a while people started telling me to use holy water instead of coolant. Finally went away though, go figure as to why.


If you're going to build your own car. You're going to have problems, that's just a fact in life.



Take a break from it...... but see it through to the end. You'll regret it if you dont.
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Posted: Mar 19 2009, 06:40 AM
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I would say to sell it. With a car as problematic as your AND being a mr2 it might be better to get another one.

As far as fixing it, I would replace the fuel lines that run through the cabin with some hard lines.

Oh and the smell is never going to come out unless you wash everything.
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Posted: Mar 19 2009, 07:11 AM
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^ that wasnt helpful =/


We all say keep it, as TexasDemonZ said
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Posted: Mar 19 2009, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE (AK-Z @ Today, 10:40 AM)
I would say to sell it. With a car as problematic as your AND being a mr2 it might be better to get another one.

As far as fixing it, I would replace the fuel lines that run through the cabin with some hard lines.

Oh and the smell is never going to come out unless you wash everything.

It is a hard line, and the smell is already gon, I left the doors open in my garage.

What the hell does that first line mean, I dont understand, sorry.
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Posted: Mar 19 2009, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (HateSkylines @ 5 hours, 26 minutes ago)
It is a hard line, and the smell is already gon, I left the doors open in my garage.

What the hell does that first line mean, I dont understand, sorry.

What I was implying was that MR2s are difficult to work on because of the limited space.

From your first post, it sounded like the lines inside the cabin were rubber lines or something. IF someone pinched or cracked a hardline, who knows what else would have been messed with, with that kind of care tongue.gif


Also, I've owned 7 cars now, and know the symptoms of a problematic car. tongue.gif

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Posted: Mar 22 2009, 06:44 AM
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I'd keep it, you got the engine running decent (I assume, you didn't say anything to the contrary), so fixing the fuel line should be a piece of cake compared to what you've already done. I definitely understand getting fed up w/ it at times, and if you have something else to drive, go ahead and take a break from the project. It will do you good. Just play video games, hang out w/ your buddies, whatever you enjoy doing, for a couple months. W/ no worrying about how to fix this or that for a month, you'll feel better, then start going to some car shows/meets, dragstrip, track, Sat night cruises or whatever, it'll get you back in the mood to fix it up and finish it off.

That's what works for me, anyway smile.gif Just give it a rest for a while, relax, look at other stuff, get your good mood back, then go back at it. It does make a difference.
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Posted: Mar 28 2009, 02:57 PM
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Well, Ive been busy...thats why I havent managed to get on the forums all week. Sorry about what looks to be me 'spamming' the automotive section. I did bring a update with me.

Well, I havent touched the car for 4 weeks. I took my break and decided to get back to work. I reinstalled the fuel lines ompletely, removed my boost controller, fuel system upgrades for the break-in for engine safety. I got the car ready to start, back into a bolt-on performance state. Ive decided to leave the car stripped entirely (I need pics) and continue my weight reduction.

The new issue, now the car will not crank over...I did not mess with any wiring besides my boost controller (which I daignosed, had nothing to do with it) and noted my battery held full charge and the fuel pump and accesories engaged when tuned to the ON position on the keyswitch, as normal. Im going to have to pull my harnesses apart.

The thing that messes with me is, I havent touched the wiring at all since the last time it an...did the gasoline mess with it?

Im getting really annoyed with the car.
Mike

PS - I need to start taking pics!
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Posted: Mar 28 2009, 04:16 PM
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Check and see if you are getting juice to the starter first, before tearing the harness apart. If you are, wiggle the connections and try again. If still nothing, tap on it if possible w/ a small hammer and see if it works. Could be just a bad connection, or a bad engine ground, or the starter and/or solenoid could be stuck from sitting, happens sometimes. Maybe check the connection for the clutch interlock switch too.
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Posted: Mar 29 2009, 05:49 AM
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I'll get on that today, thanks for the suggestions.

I will out there equipt with tools and a test light/digital multi meter, so I hope to find my issue.
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Posted: Mar 29 2009, 08:31 PM
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Yeah, sounds like a starter solenoid issue. I messed with mine a little while back, just disconnected the lead to clean it along with everything else... When I reconnected it the engine wouldn't crank. After messing with the connection a little more just by moving it, it started working again and hasn't given me any trouble since. Electrical problems are weird like that. Don't rip apart your entire harness chasing gremlins, check all the connection points first because those are the weak areas. THEN once your positive they're clean and have checked them with a multimeter, go for the harness.

Try tapping the starter solenoid *lightly* with a wrench too, sometimes that works.
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Posted: Apr 6 2009, 07:12 AM
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UPDATE:

I got it started, a wire between the starter relay in my rear trunk and my starter was broken. Im positive its not a fuseable link but the reason it broke was uncertain. I relocated it in a safer area. Now the car fires right up and idles fine.

I broke the seatbelt bolt in the unibody when removing the gasoline drenched interior, so I have to drill it out, my set of easy-outs didnt work for me, soaking in PB Blaster now...

Looks like Im finally coming out of the project! I cant think of anything else to go wrong right now! I backed her out of the garage and washed/waxed her yesterday.

Tons of people were doing double takes, yelling 'nice car' and slowing down staring at it. I had 3 people actually turn around and talk to me about it!
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Posted: Apr 6 2009, 08:36 AM
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See, it's all worth it, even after all the BS smile.gif
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Posted: Apr 9 2009, 09:27 AM
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Looks like Im finally coming out of the project! I cant think of anything else to go wrong right now! I backed her out of the garage and washed/waxed her yesterday.


Shit, don't say that pinch2.gif lol

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See, it's all worth it, even after all the BS smile.gif


+1, told you a month away from it would make it go quicker smile.gif Hopefully I'll be happy as you soon, I finally managed to get a good parts car for the GLHS biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Force Fed Mopar @ 3 hours, 51 minutes ago)
I finally managed to get a good parts car for the GLHS biggrin.gif

A GLHS, lucky bastard
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