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> Hakone TA 4'45"355 Help
Waddles
Posted: May 22 2009, 09:29 AM
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Hello, I have been asking for help on Hakone for a while now and the folks on the forum suggest I make a video for them to see what I need work on. So here is the video and any help is greatly appreciated! =] But please no flaming or anything because I know it is a very slow time. Thanks for your help!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvw6bl73wIc...re=channel_page
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Posted: May 23 2009, 10:41 AM
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you need to learn the line. learn the course using 800hp.

once you can run the course with 800hp without crashing, you can use 760hp and try again.

stick as close as you can towards the walls (out-in-out) and keep the wheel as straight as possible. tap the brakes when you need to.
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Posted: May 23 2009, 05:30 PM
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Hmm, thanks for the tip, a lot of people tell me to start at 800 hp but I thought that running at 800 then running at 760 I would have to learn the turns again. So I never run it out of 760 but well, I guess I could try it out. Please if anyone else would like to give tips, they're greatly appreciated!
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Posted: May 24 2009, 09:14 PM
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all i can say is to learn the course more through the ghost battles. learn one way at a time with someone who knows the line. eventually you can learn the lines through the ghost battles.
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Posted: May 24 2009, 09:16 PM
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try shotguns

gives u mad grip and slide when u want it

and increases ur cars accel, top speed and handling by 50%!

thats like...an extra couple of bars on each power and handling...
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Posted: May 24 2009, 10:10 PM
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I'm sorry to ask but what is a "shotgun"? Yeah, doing ghost battles sound like a good idea. As long as the ghost has a good line XP but, the car is only about 33 dress lvl so I should do more XD
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Posted: May 24 2009, 10:24 PM
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rays texan shotguns lol ;D
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QUOTE (fknazn @ 2 hours, 44 minutes ago)
try shotguns

gives u mad grip and slide when u want it

and increases ur cars accel, top speed and handling by 50%!

thats like...an extra couple of bars on each power and handling...

is this true? O_o

or you are just being funny?

i can't tell the diff. =/
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Posted: May 25 2009, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (xeoreg @ May 23 2009, 10:41 AM)
you need to learn the line. learn the course using 800hp.

once you can run the course with 800hp without crashing, you can use 760hp and try again.

stick as close as you can towards the walls (out-in-out) and keep the wheel as straight as possible. tap the brakes when you need to.

Running high ends helps alot i quote this for truth 800 hp is a good start out.

think about it like this you run 800hp u learn how to perform entering a turn at a certain speed havng to find a line not to hit the wall with such a slidey setting.. tone down to 760 with adjustments you'll run faster =]
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Posted: May 25 2009, 08:56 AM
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In theory it does sound like it makes a lot of sense but first if I really want to do it that way I gotta make the effort to actually play that much XD I went to the arcade but I didn't play any MT at all XD Ohh and I looked at those Ray's Shotguns, lol, they look so bad, I think they're bad as well. But yes Angel, the way you put it does sound like it will work.
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Posted: May 26 2009, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (AngelxOfxRegreT @ Yesterday, 1:27 AM)
Running high ends helps alot i quote this for truth 800 hp is a good start out.

think about it like this you run 800hp u learn how to perform entering a turn at a certain speed havng to find a line not to hit the wall with such a slidey setting.. tone down to 760 with adjustments you'll run faster =]

meaning every course when training we should play 20 or 40 hp more then normal choosen hp is good to improve oneself?
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Posted: May 26 2009, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE (Waddles @ Today, 12:56 AM)
In theory it does sound like it makes a lot of sense but first if I really want to do it that way I gotta make the effort to actually play that much XD I went to the arcade but I didn't play any MT at all XD Ohh and I looked at those Ray's Shotguns, lol, they look so bad, I think they're bad as well. But yes Angel, the way you put it does sound like it will work.

remember performance is better den looks...
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Posted: May 26 2009, 10:07 AM
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Well, are they actually better? Cuz I don't know anything about dress parts. I just stick with the aero a, 3d wing, rcII. Other than those, I never use any other parts. My friend also said my parts are wrong for Hakone, is that true?
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Posted: May 27 2009, 06:53 PM
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you have to fine tune it so it suits your style

some people like grip, some people like slide

i personally prefer slide on hakone...it seems easier for me
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Posted: May 27 2009, 08:12 PM
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for me, a balance of slip & grip is good. ;D
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Posted: May 27 2009, 08:15 PM
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lol i dont think the current main problem with ur hakone comes from ur car's setup. that setup is fine for now. setup can only do so much for u. when ur TA time is 15 seconds slower than the world record, 99percent of the problems come from what ur doing and not doing on the course (not flaming or anything, just stating the truth here.) it seems to me like u understand the basic lines and gear shifts, but just not familiar enuff with the map. u cant be scared of going close to the wall. dont be afraid to push it all out through a turn. im sure ur gonna hit the wall many times. but then u can adjust ur steering angles and throttle control because u have an idea of how much u can push through that turn and how much ur car can handle through a turn. that just goes for all courses.
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Posted: May 28 2009, 09:28 AM
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There are some really helpful TA tutorial video on youtube. Watch this for starter:

YOUTUBE ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wZfpDT_Jhs )
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Posted: May 28 2009, 12:16 PM
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Thanks for the video Perry. Yeah, I also watched the Taromisaki vid a lot, I see the line, gearshifting, throttle control, but really theres always only so much you can do from only watching a vid. I need to find out how to drive it my own style first (I guess?) before I start trying to take turns super fast. I am still taking the wrong lines anyways XD and sadly... my time has not decreased yet on that course =/
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Posted: May 28 2009, 11:02 PM
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Just a quick comment.
you're turning your wheel too hard...
as a result you're hitting the inside of corners, not taking ideal lines, overturning into corners...

all of which cost speed.... turn less


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Watching videos is one thing, and trying it yourself is another.
dont just follow the video, each time you play, battle, ghost, whatever.
try to turn different amounts until you find your ideal lines...

making the small changes and improvements each run you make is the key, not making a huge change straight away....
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Posted: May 29 2009, 12:29 AM
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Yes, I never like to fully turn the wheel because I know how much speed you lose but whenever I'm on Hakone I feel as if I have to. On all the other course I never do it. I will be trying to take different lines throughout the course tomorrow.
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Posted: May 29 2009, 03:45 AM
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just looking at the lines you can see you're turning way too much...
yes, 4wds need more turning than Rwd, but you're doing it way too much..
you turn so hard and for so long then your'e forced to correct it.

just take it down a notch each time till you hit the right amount.

Just by that you'll shave a lot of time off
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Posted: May 29 2009, 04:17 AM
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Yeah... I also always slide out too much it seems like, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Am I exiting too fast? I don't think so cuz I'm coming out slower than other people. Does my car just naturally slide out more than others? Maybe. I'm not real sure either way, any ideas?
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no, you're not sliding out...
your car is gripping so much.. just look at it...you're gripping TOO much...
because you're turning too hard...
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Posted: May 29 2009, 12:46 PM
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Is that what it is? Okay. Yeah sorry, I have been playing this game since early MT2 but I was never that into it so I don't know what's going on with the car (always been a hardcore initial d racer.) So I'm sorry if I'm sounding super noob right now but i thank you for you helping me out. So it grips too much cuz I turn the wheel too much? Even if my car slides out and hit's the outside wall? I know it grips too much if I hit the inside or I take it too early but what about hitting outside?
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Posted: May 30 2009, 09:07 AM
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Thing about hakone is the slide actually helps you clear some corners...
especially the hairpins...
Thats why most people will use 760, even tho we never really use all of it.
We could go lower, 700 or smth, but then there will be too much grip...

just let the rear slide out, straighten the wheel, and let the rest of the slide happen naturally...

hitting outside is the controlling of the slide...
when you turn so hard, you're hitting inside walls, your line becomes an out-in-in...
turning too hard and loosing speed

ease up on the turning and let it just slide out...
rather than turning long, then a rapid countersteer to straighten it. make small adjustments until you're almost hitting the outside...

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