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what engine was used for the devil z
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i know its a l28 i mean did it come from the 280zx stock twin turbo or the 280z then twin turbo charged i still havent figured it out so im just wondering and also does anyone know the turbos used
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It's posted somewhere on here (several times), but from what I recall, it's a 3.1 based off the F54 casting (280ZX L28) with a...84mm? crank (presumably a ground/welded V07 LD28 crank) and overbored cylinders. No idea on the head, but production numbers would suggest a P90 or E88. Aftermarket twin turbos (no Z other than the Z32 ever came from the factory with twins, and other than the 280ZXT and 300ZXTs, no other Zs came with turbos at all.
And, as FFM mentioned, it runs "Them funny sideways triple deuces" ie mikuni carbs (probably 44PHHs, don't see why you'd go for 40s in that application...). What I'm wondering these days is what trans would be behind that setup, since nothing stock is going to stand up to the amount of torque that thing was putting out, especially after the power is bumped *way* up.
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QUOTE (<MB> @ Today, 7:08 AM) | The only concern in the Anime was the power factor and him being able to say his heart felt the power of the devil or some crap. My money is probably on a supra tranny or maybe a R33 GTR box, i heard those were relatively bulletproof. |
i believe it was a T5 tranny
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QUOTE | The T5's don't break from shear torque being applied to them. They break from slamming gears with too much power. If you have it in gear and are accelerating, chances are good it wont break. |
QUOTE | For starters, I have broken and rebuilt them all. The t5's weakest point is the shift forks, i have broken several. An aftermarket mustang shift with adjustable stops fixes that. Aside from that, and wearing out syncros, they are pretty sturdy. I finally did mine in when I broke a single tooth off the main input counter gear. This caused a "clunk clunk" in every gear except 4th (1:1). On the FS5W71C (NA tranny) I kept blowing all the teeth off second gear on a 1 - 2 shift. I think I did this twice... 240sx's were plentiful in my u-pull yard and they were 120 a pop, I noticed that they have a wider/stronger second gear cluster. This helped with that, but I sheared the output shaft smooth in two at the drag strip. If you compare the FS5W71C output shaft to the FS5R30A you can see that the latter is HUGELY stronger. It would probably take twice the torque to break it. I somehow managed to tear up my FS5R30A, but I'm hoping it was a fluke, it was the last time I drove the z31, making 480whp, a collar that locates the counter shaft and keeps it from moving forward broke and then my fifth gear syncro hub moved too far and all the dogs/springs popped out. This trans however always seemed a bit noisy from when I got it, and there are some wear marks that make me think its possible this collar was already broken when I got it...
All in all, the T5 is a good little transmission and MUCH lighter. It is also about 100 times easier to rebuild. Id take it over a FS5W71C my self, as the worst it ever did was break a single tooth compared the the massive carnage I inflicted on the FS5W71Cs I had. I had to of blown up at least 4 of them.
I wish this was all due to 800HP drag launches... but it was really just decent power and years of abuse. I think I'm kinda hard on transmissions, I have learned that sometimes it's worth it to just shift slower and save the gearbox. |
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QUOTE (<MB> @ 5 hours, 40 minutes ago) | The only concern in the Anime was the power factor and him being able to say his heart felt the power of the devil or some crap. My money is probably on a supra tranny or maybe a R33 GTR box, i heard those were relatively bulletproof. |
R154s are pretty bombproof. R32 and R33 GT-R boxes good for up to 500-600 hp. Then they start destroying their 3rd and 4th gear with bigger power. Most people upgrade to reinforced/modified stock, OS Giken, PPG, Quaife internals at that point.
Truly the strongest one is the V160 Getrag in the Supra and the R34 GT-R.
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QUOTE (Oddmanout84 @ 9 minutes, 25 seconds ago) |
Bottom line, anime is not real life. Want to come close to what that car does in the series? Get an RB26DETT from an old Skyline GTR. |
He has to then fork out the cash to build it reliably to 600-700 hp.
It's not a thing for shallow pockets.
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The US dollars shitty value in the global marketplace doesn't help either.
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QUOTE (PanzerAce @ 1 hour, 37 minutes ago) | Don't know why you'd put it way back there when you can just put it on the other side of the engine or under the dash *shrugs*
Also, fwiw, there are some Nissan racing parts that used to be available that would allow for a lowered engine. Lost all my pictures when my HDD crashed, but one of them was a changed up oil pan setup, where it ends up *wider* than the engine for the same capacity, with an external pickup and different oil pump housing....damn, going to have to find it again. |
Well I suppose it could go under the dash, but since he always seems to have passengers and they don't appear scrunched up However, I'd be interested in seeing those pics of the other setup too, if it allowed the engine to sit lower, that would be the more likely mod, as it would change the balance much more than just a sump would.
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QUOTE (Force Fed Mopar @ 9 hours, 50 minutes ago) | Well I suppose it could go under the dash, but since he always seems to have passengers and they don't appear scrunched up However, I'd be interested in seeing those pics of the other setup too, if it allowed the engine to sit lower, that would be the more likely mod, as it would change the balance much more than just a sump would. |
Found them. Not so sure anymore that it allows for a lower setup... Nissan Motorsports PN 15015-GC002 for the new pump end housing. Don't have a NMPN for the pan itself. Designed to be used with a relocated filter assembly (fed from the unconnected fitting on the pump). I'll probably end up using that pump housing for my LD swap, since it'll make *everything* easier. And agreed about Kameari are stupid expensive. Very, very high quality, and I'd love to get my hands on one of their cylinder heads, but TBH, I think they are banking a little too much on their name for most stuff. There are a couple of guys on HBZ that can do just as good of headwork.
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One important thing to remember Bmw (and anyone else reading this) is that his engine is rated at just a hair over 600 hp. Thats less than 500 at the wheels. Youll wanna help a few things, but the 26s are pretty well capable of 4-500 whp without much issue. To put some things into perspective, Big phils rebuilt STOCK spec l28 (keep in mind this is an engine based largely on a design from around the 60s, single cam, non-cross flow head, with some serious heat soaking along the intake) with a hand full of supporting bolt on goodies is now doing 400 at his wheels. Thats a stock cam, stock pistons, stock crank, stock rods, stock porting, stock valves, stock everything! It doesnt take a huge stretch of the imagination to gather what itd take to get that extra 100 whp. Larger cam, 3 angle valve job, 1mm oversized valves, port and polish, forged floating pistons with appropriate compression and forged rods would just be icing on the cake. Now lets Increase the displacement with a very well known crank and rod set up and boost the displacement up to 3.1 liters. Akios Z is far from magical, and his numbers are far from difficult to get to. Edit: And Jesus panzer learn how to use paint and edit image sizing Its annoying having to scroll sideways to read stuff . Or at least use spoiler tags, or just post direct links. *nod* This post has been edited by StraightAwayZ on Feb 3 2010, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE (StraightAwayZ @ 6 hours, 24 minutes ago) | One important thing to remember Bmw (and anyone else reading this) is that his engine is rated at just a hair over 600 hp. Thats less than 500 at the wheels. Youll wanna help a few things, but the 26s are pretty well capable of 4-500 whp without much issue.
To put some things into perspective, Big phils rebuilt STOCK spec l28 (keep in mind this is an engine based largely on a design from around the 60s, single cam, non-cross flow head, with some serious heat soaking along the intake) with a hand full of supporting bolt on goodies is now doing 400 at his wheels. Thats a stock cam, stock pistons, stock crank, stock rods, stock porting, stock valves, stock everything!
It doesnt take a huge stretch of the imagination to gather what itd take to get that extra 100 whp. Larger cam, 3 angle valve job, 1mm oversized valves, port and polish, forged floating pistons with appropriate compression and forged rods would just be icing on the cake. Now lets Increase the displacement with a very well known crank and rod set up and boost the displacement up to 3.1 liters. Akios Z is far from magical, and his numbers are far from difficult to get to. |
Coulda swore I read somewhere that Akio's Z was pushing 800-1000hp... which is what I was referring to as "very fictional".
Yes, Big Phil's Z is impressive to say the least. I'm not half as crazy as he is though... I can only imagine what his car would be like with a bigger budget.
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