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> Return of the Supra, Don't lie to us, Toyota.
Spec-Vermillion
Posted: Apr 4 2013, 08:58 AM
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Hopeful return of the Supra

It may be or not be confirmed, but I hope this may be fulfilled... If not, Toyota pulled an April Fools prank(which is highly disappointing).

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Posted: Apr 4 2013, 02:39 PM
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I wouldn't keep your hopes up, posted on 31st March really?

Most likely April Fools, but Toyota are the fools here, as proved by the 86 there still is a large market and demand for cheap coupe cars, Toyota really should bring it back.

After all the RX-7 is being re released in 2017 :lol:

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Posted: Apr 4 2013, 03:54 PM
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That news is a couple years old already, around the time the new 86 was announced, this news also came out. But up until now, this exact concept is still a concept.

Check this article from Speedhunters dated September 2011
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Posted: Apr 4 2013, 05:17 PM
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Yea I think this is an April Fools joke as well, because those concept shots..are old, was supposed to be a facelift for the FRS/86.
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Posted: Apr 5 2013, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE (Whitzwolf @ Yesterday, 6:39 PM)
I wouldn't keep your hopes up, posted on 31st March really?

Most likely April Fools, but Toyota are the fools here, as proved by the 86 there still is a large market and demand for cheap coupe cars, Toyota really should bring it back.

After all the RX-7 is being re released in 2017 :lol:

the whole existence of the mk4/2jz was to defeat the GT-R/RB26

i seriously dont see that happened. I would not buy a toyota anyway. I went with my sister to get her car service and to my surprise NONE of the body panels of the cars in the show room lined up. they did but not enough to be perfect, one would be a few MM's off the other same...

i dont trust toyota anymore with they shitty manufacturing... they will probably go to Yamaha again and NOT make their own engine by them selfs. (at least the RB is made by nissan 2jz is made by German's/yamaha.
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Posted: Apr 5 2013, 04:26 PM
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Where were they built?
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Posted: May 9 2013, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (Blue-Sensei @ Apr 5 2013, 08:26 PM)
Where were they built?

block was made in germeny head was made by yamaha, toyota cannot make their own heads.
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Posted: May 9 2013, 10:29 PM
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which the same goes to the GT86/FRS/BRZ which uses subaru made engine....
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Posted: May 10 2013, 08:55 AM
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The only issue with a Toyota I've used so far has been with the Supra...which was notorious for it's bhg...other than that though no real probs. MKIII Supra btw not MKIV.
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Posted: Jun 30 2013, 07:11 AM
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I thought the new 86 was proving to be the 'new' Supra already.


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Posted: Jun 30 2013, 07:23 AM
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You guys need to seriously learn your Toyota Inline 6 history. The 1JZ was meant to compete with the RB26 its whole existence was to put the Grp A Supras into the same class (Under 3 Litre) since when they ran the 7M they had to run more weight due to the bigger engine. A german engineering firm finalized the design of the 2JZGTE not its GE counter part both of which share identical bottom ends minus pistons. Blocks were cast in Japan, crank and rods were forged in Japan, pistons Japan. What this supposed firm did I have no idea. Toyota can make their own heads the 7M was done in house and when compared to the flow of the 1JZ they were pretty much identical. 7M flowed more on the exhaust side while 1JZ flowed more on the intake. Btw just fyi the RB26 was designed by a separate engineering firm during Nissans Grp. A days. Nissan had very little to do with it. I believe it was Renik/Reimax before they were closely associated with Nissan and Nismo. The race RBs can't even and shouldn't be compared to the production engines. Lastly if they do bring back the Supra not many here will have the coin to afford one. They were expensive back then and will be now.

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Posted: Jun 30 2013, 08:11 AM
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To my knowledge the RB26 was designed by Nissan, but Nismo and Reinik worked closely to bring it up to Group A spec. I've read in multiple sources that Nissan went to Toyota for advice on a new Inline 6 power plant during development, though I'm not sure if it is 100% fact.

The MK4 Supra was never intended to beat the GT-R anywhere, it was the dry-cut definition of a Grand Touring Sports Car, where as the GT-R was a little more 'race-bred' if you will. Toyota even dropped the double-wishbone suspension off of the MK4, that the MK3 had resulting in a un-intentional great drag platform.

The 1JZ as JDMMA70 said was designed to compete with the GT-Rs in Group A, however Toyota continued to run with the proven 7M-GTE until '93 when Group A came to an end.

The 2JZ engine was designed initially by German engineers, however the engineers were Toyota's own contracted employees. The head was an assisted design with Yamaha on the 3S, 1/2JZ, Yamaha didn't do 100% of the design themselves. Bottom end on all three 'sports car' engines that Yamaha had a had in were designed by Toyota themselves. The 2JZ in fact was never raced professionally, not in JGTC or Le Mans, the Supra always used the 503E 3S-GT engine until the early 00s when they switched to the 1UZ/3UZ V8 power plant in JGTC.

The GT-86/FR-S/BRZ is a combination of cars, it takes the mechanical theory of a AE86 Corolla/Trueno being a sub 2500lb car with an N/A 4 Cylinder engine, combined it with the Sports 800 Boxer power plant (Hence where the worlds best feasible Boxer manufacture, Subaru come into play) and has the body shape/hood lines of a Toyota 2000GT. Besides the 2000GT being the early GT car idea that sparked the Supra, the GT-86 is more or less a second generation AE86, due to it's 'Runabout' lightweight, simple 4-Cyl FR design.

There is much mis-information in this thread, just wanted to clear it up a bit.

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