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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 10:18 PM
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For fun and perhaps informative:

Best TA cars:
1. RX-7 Type R
2. RX-8
3. GT-R & GT-R Spec-V (R35)
4. GT-R (R32)
5. SVX
6. GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
7. Fairlady Z (S30)
8. Lancer Evolution VIII
9. Cosmos
10. Subaru BRZ

Runner-ups: Toyota 86, Lancer Evolution IX, Silvia Spec-R (S15), Roadster (NC)

Based on Japan rankings, tallied quantities of cars in top 3 pages

This one's completely opinionated, but based on owning these cars:
Top 10 Battle machines:
1. R35
2. Evo IX
3. R34
4. Evo VI
5. Z31
6. Evo X
7. KPGC10
8. Z34
9. RGT
10. HiAce (I just had to...)

Let's see if we can come up with a good Top 10 battle car list

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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE (RIT_ninja @ 20 minutes, 58 seconds ago)
Let's see if we can come up with a good Top 10 battle car list

It's hard to predict because each player have their own style of playing battle.

My main car is E9, but I use R32 better than E9 in battle wise.
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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 10:54 PM
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>Rt35... wait what? We're not Japan here...

As far as I'm concerned... especially with regards to the TA community:

1. FD3S RX-7
2. SE3P RX-8
3. NCEC MX-5 Miata
4. GT-R35 / GT-R35 SPEC V
5. BNR32 GT-R
6. Lancer Evolution VIII MR
7. Cosmo 110S
8. AE86 Trueno GT-APEX
9. Fairlady Z S30
10. BNR34 GT-R V-spec II
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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 6 minutes, 53 seconds ago)
>Rt35... wait what? We're not Japan here...

As far as I'm concerned... especially with regards to the TA community:

1. FD3S RX-7
2. SE3P RX-8
3. NCEC MX-5 Miata
4. GT-R35 / GT-R35 SPEC V
5. BNR32 GT-R
6. Lancer Evolution VIII MR
7. Cosmo 110S
8. AE86 Trueno GT-APEX
9. Fairlady Z S30
10. BNR34 GT-R V-spec II

Sorry, I meant RGT, they're quite heavy to push in battle
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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (RIT_ninja @ 49 minutes, 35 seconds ago)
This one's completely opinionated, but based on owning these cars:
Top 10 Battle machines:
1. R35
2. Evo IX
3. R34
4. Evo VI
5. Z31
6. Evo X
7. KPGC10
8. Z34
9. RGT
10. HiAce (I just had to...)

Some cars I suggest which are great for battles:

Mazda Cosmo 110S (personally own one...great car for ninja tactics...excellent in zipping by past traffic due to it's narrow width...also with it's superb handling HP settings in a battle can be slightly boosted up a notch)

Mitsubishi Starion (also personally own one...good weight...acceleration and blocking ability)

Toyota Crown Athlete (very much dubbed as 'the tank'...ask Soran or cabbie for more info as they own one each)

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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE (RIT_ninja @ 10 minutes, 9 seconds ago)
Sorry, I meant RGT, they're quite heavy to push in battle

If weight is the factor in battles... shouldn't the Hi Ace be below the R35* followed by the Pajero Evo?

*Confirmed that it takes 2 mid/heavy vehicles (i.e. R34) to push the R35 off its course/lane. Done by me, and either PMCD/Solstice/JPT26 against Rotary Tuner's R35 in MT4 Hakone.

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Posted: Oct 23 2014, 11:20 PM
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This is going to be very subjective...
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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (RIT_ninja @ 1 hour, 48 minutes ago)
For fun and perhaps informative:

Best TA cars:
1. RX-7 Type R
2. RX-8
3. GT-R & GT-R Spec-V (R35)
4. GT-R (R32)
5. SVX
6. GT-R V-Spec II (R34)
7. Fairlady Z (S30)
8. Lancer Evolution VIII
9. Cosmos
10. Subaru BRZ

Runner-ups: Toyota 86, Lancer Evolution IX, Silvia Spec-R (S15), Roadster (NC)

Based on Japan rankings, tallied quantities of cars in top 3 pages

This one's completely opinionated, but based on owning these cars:
Top 10 Battle machines:
1. R35
2. Evo IX
3. R34
4. Evo VI
5. Z31
6. Evo X
7. KPGC10
8. Z34
9. RGT
10. HiAce (I just had to...)

Let's see if we can come up with a good Top 10 battle car list

EVO VI? How? In what way?


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My opinion on the Top 10 battle cars:

1. R35
2. Crown Athlete (If they could crank up it's boost/catchup power, it could beat the 35)
3. R34
4. Evo IX
5. ZR1
6. Eunos Cosmo
7. R32
8. Evo 8
9. RX8
10. RX7 FD
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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 12:30 AM
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sorry for being a dick here but................

for battle cars (for heavy hitters)

euro cosmo

svx

gto

celsior

aristo

z31

fuga

crown

hiace

evo x

sorry r35 dont even come close to being, too man ppl with r35s in china, most of them are pretty tofu

my CTR is also a pretty good one but i find it too well balanced & in my parts of the world i would have a hard time playing 1 vs 1 full contact

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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 12:38 AM
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I like making tiers in three categories (TA; Battle; Hybrid/Both).

Top Tier for TA: for sure RX-7 (FD3S), GT-R/GT-R SpecV (R35), RX-8 (SE3P);
High Tier: Roadster RS/MX-5 Miata (NCEC), Fairlady Z (S30), Trueno GT-Apex (AE86), Skyline GT-R (BNR32)

Top Tier to use for Battle (battle is very skill dependant so I decide by ease of use and higher weight classes): Skyline GT-R (BNR32), Evo VIII/IX (CT9A), RX-8 (SE3P)

Top Tier to use Both: RX-7 (FD3S), Skyline GT-R (BNR32), Evolution VIII/IX (CT9A), RX-8 (SE3P), Fairlady Z (S30)

Remember most of these are opinions. (Reason for R35 and R34 not appearing on the lists is because they are just too big to be efficient.) According to the JP wiki the Evo VIII has less grip in MT5.

Also, THE STRUGGLE tier (very difficult to use/win with): Hidden Cars (except GT-R Spec V and Taxi/Driving School models)

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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (N643 @ 46 minutes, 26 seconds ago)
sorry for being a dick here but................

for battle cars (for heavy hitters)

euro cosmo

svx

gto

celsior

aristo

z31

fuga

crown

hiace

evo x

sorry r35 dont even come close to being, too man ppl with r35s in china, most of them are pretty tofu

my CTR is also a pretty good one but i find it too well balanced & in my parts of the world i would have a hard time playing 1 vs 1 full contact

pretty tofu meaning?
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Two things...
1) please try to keep the chat here civil, its a ridiculously subjective subject, and honestly you can argue it all ways to kingdom come...


2) driver > car, a good battler can do better in a 110s than a weaker

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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 02:53 AM
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QUOTE (PMCD @ 1 hour, 37 minutes ago)
pretty tofu meaning?

definition of tofu:
Step 1: get tofu from fridge
step 2: stab it with your finger
step 3: look at it.

That's pretty tofu

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QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 33 minutes, 33 seconds ago)
definition of tofu:
Step 1: get tofu from fridge
step 2: stab it with your finger
step 3: look at it.

That's pretty tofu

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my meaning of tofu means its light & easily break-able, just like real tofu

but thats just my opinion

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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 03:38 AM
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Okay then, I'll go for hybrid.

1. R32
2. RX8
3. R34
4. Evo IX
5. Evo VIII
6. RX7FD
7. R35/R35V
8. S30 (Devil Z)
9. Aristo
10. SVX
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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 05:17 AM
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How about the bottom ten? Any contenders for cars which are completely useless for battling and/or time attack?

Hiace and Pajero will definitely fill the latter, but how about for battling?
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Posted: Oct 24 2014, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE (Dare @ Today, 2:47 AM)
Two things...
1) please try to keep the chat here civil, its a ridiculously subjective subject, and honestly you can argue it all ways to kingdom come...


2) driver > car, a good battler can do better in a 110s than a weaker

Very much agree with you
110s is easy to handle and ninja
It's easy to avoid blocking and you just have to patiently wait for chances to surpass others through hard turns
But all players have different battle styles I won't actively attack others that's why 110s is a suitable car for me
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Posted: Oct 25 2014, 07:35 PM
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Best car for both TA and battle/ghost.

I rate these cars over a number of different variables. First being their TA strength, second being their ability to battle and third their overall individual strengths and weaknesses

1) Rx8
TA: Top tier and needs no introduction. One of the 3 best cars in this category. Nuff said
Battle: Because of it's TA superiority it can prove versatile in battle. Small enough to pass but big enough to block everyone, it's handling is it key to taking turns without being eaten up by other players or cars. You cannot overlook this car as #1 between equal skilled players
Strengths: TA superior, handling superior, decent acceleration, 2nd tier top speed, great size, easy to use
Weaknesses: Overused, acceleration is 3rd to GTRs and Evos (at low revs below 4th gear)

2) Evo9
TA: Not the best TA car, but can get decent times. in the 2nd-3rd tier
Battle: Absolute monster in the right hands, the handling lets it down but the speed this thing generates is great for all maps, except wangan and yoko (but there is boost for that), the famous snova set up still causes nightmares to those who have faced it
Strengths: High acceleration and very strong blocking presense
Weakness: top speed can let this car down, if set up wrong it can be hell for the driver, handling lets this car down significantly

3) Rx7 FD
TA: Top tier, probably equal to the RX8 in many respects.
Battle: Not as great as the other cars in this list, however you would put this in the hands of a runner due to the fact that it won't be beaten on technical courses, the handling on this is a dream and can block decently, it's accelration isnt the best for hardcore blocking though.
Strengths: Probably one of the best handling cars in the game, decent all round acceleration and top speed, a runner car
Weakness: Cannot block hardcore due to the 3rd tier acceleration, if this car is behind then hope your opponent makes a mistake, not a blocker in many situations

4) R34
TA: Gets decent times, not the best though
Battle: Size+speed+weight=domination, you cannot ignore this car under any circumstances
Strengths: Size+Speed+weight=nuff said
Weakness: Because it is so big, expect to be targeted in the corners if you dont prepare for them diving you, needs some TLC to learn about how this car behaves, tight spaces are a problem

5) Mazda 110S
TA: Underestimated to get a good time, however still not as good as top tiers
Battle: A smaller R34, the accel of a beast with the size of an MX5 and the top speed of a GTR
Strengths: Pocket rocket = speed+size
Weakness: Handling seems a little lackluster and requires you TLC to learn how it behaves.

6) Evo8
TA: A very good car to set a comparison against top tier, probably, 2-3rd tier
Battle: A slower but better handling Evo9 (only marginally), feels slightly heavier than the evo9 and thus more studier in the turns, however hardcore blocking is limited due to the 2nd rate acceleration
Strengths: Handling and size advantage means that in turns you're able to fit in small gaps and holes, whilst being able to defend against divers
Weakness: acceleration and top speed are a problem with evos and the evo8 suffers from a slight accel disadvantage against the E9

7) R32
TA: 3rd rate TA car, but that doesnt mean it is bad
Battle: "Beware of the big monster" sums this car up. Not as bulky as the R34 but not by any means a bad car, just that other cars a better
Strengths: Monster car in the right hands, slightly faster acceleration against the R34
Weakness: Slower top speed than the R34, size is a bit of an issue against smaller spaces and squeezes

8) S30
TA: 3rd Tier, still pretty good
Battle: Handles very well despite what people may think, the speed and handling this car has is pretty swell
Strengths: Speed+weight means that you can block hard and not be passed by divers whilst being able to dive others
Weakness: Handling on this car is very iffy if you dont know it well or set it up right.

9) R35
TA: Top tier on 830 maps - nuff said
Battle: Speed+Weight+Size=boss
Strengths: Dat acceleration means that it will be eating everything in front of it, handles pretty well for its size and hardcore blockers will appreciate how quick this car is
Weakness: Wayyyy too big for C1 and Taikan at times, no dress up to augment its behaviour, R34 and R32 are better in most situations, needs someone who understands the car and when to fight and when to back off

10) AE86/Mx5 (They are very similar)
TA: Great Ta machines, Mx5 more-so than the Ae86 though
Battle: Not the best battle machines but more for runners, great handling and small size means that if your in front you control the flow of the game w/ the Ae86 being a little bigger than the MX5
Strengths: the smaller size means that you can fit between gaps and cars very easily with C1, Taikan and Hakone are pretty much your home grounds where your small size means more opportunity to pass with gaps
Weakness: In the same strength you have no battle presence when you blocking, top speed are an issue here and some slower acceleration issues compared to the GTRS and Evos.


Anyways those are my observations with the cars, my personal preference is the E8 or E9 though
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Posted: Oct 27 2014, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (PMCD @ Oct 24 2014, 12:06 AM)
EVO VI? How? In what way?

Before Evo X, Evo VI was the best ram Evo. It's got good handling, decent acceleration, heavy body. I've seen couple of people here play battle with it and usually rack up a lot of stars. One player I knew from back in MT2 days has driven it ever since, now has over 20000 stars on his Evo VI.

I personally have the GSR and RS. No difference, but I did a 16 win streak with the GSR one time unintentionally.

All cars on my top 10 list I have personally driven and own in game. I own every car pre-MT3DX, it's how I make the comparison. Perhaps the newer cars can out perform the older cars.

Anyone has a list for Top 10 lightest/heaviest car?



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What do you guys think is the best for Mt Taikan TA? I'm having trouble with Internet Rankings for MT5. All I have proof for is the rx7 fd
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QUOTE (fkn @ Oct 25 2014, 07:35 PM)
Best car for both TA and battle/ghost.

I rate these cars over a number of different variables. First being their TA strength, second being their ability to battle and third their overall individual strengths and weaknesses

1) Rx8
TA: Top tier and needs no introduction. One of the 3 best cars in this category. Nuff said
Battle: Because of it's TA superiority it can prove versatile in battle. Small enough to pass but big enough to block everyone, it's handling is it key to taking turns without being eaten up by other players or cars. You cannot overlook this car as #1 between equal skilled players
Strengths: TA superior, handling superior, decent acceleration, 2nd tier top speed, great size, easy to use
Weaknesses: Overused, acceleration is 3rd to GTRs and Evos (at low revs below 4th gear)

2) Evo9
TA: Not the best TA car, but can get decent times. in the 2nd-3rd tier
Battle: Absolute monster in the right hands, the handling lets it down but the speed this thing generates is great for all maps, except wangan and yoko (but there is boost for that), the famous snova set up still causes nightmares to those who have faced it
Strengths: High acceleration and very strong blocking presense
Weakness: top speed can let this car down, if set up wrong it can be hell for the driver, handling lets this car down significantly

3) Rx7 FD
TA: Top tier, probably equal to the RX8 in many respects.
Battle: Not as great as the other cars in this list, however you would put this in the hands of a runner due to the fact that it won't be beaten on technical courses, the handling on this is a dream and can block decently, it's accelration isnt the best for hardcore blocking though.
Strengths: Probably one of the best handling cars in the game, decent all round acceleration and top speed, a runner car
Weakness: Cannot block hardcore due to the 3rd tier acceleration, if this car is behind then hope your opponent makes a mistake, not a blocker in many situations

4) R34
TA: Gets decent times, not the best though
Battle: Size+speed+weight=domination, you cannot ignore this car under any circumstances
Strengths: Size+Speed+weight=nuff said
Weakness: Because it is so big, expect to be targeted in the corners if you dont prepare for them diving you, needs some TLC to learn about how this car behaves, tight spaces are a problem

5) Mazda 110S
TA: Underestimated to get a good time, however still not as good as top tiers
Battle: A smaller R34, the accel of a beast with the size of an MX5 and the top speed of a GTR
Strengths: Pocket rocket = speed+size
Weakness: Handling seems a little lackluster and requires you TLC to learn how it behaves.

6) Evo8
TA: A very good car to set a comparison against top tier, probably, 2-3rd tier
Battle: A slower but better handling Evo9 (only marginally), feels slightly heavier than the evo9 and thus more studier in the turns, however hardcore blocking is limited due to the 2nd rate acceleration
Strengths: Handling and size advantage means that in turns you're able to fit in small gaps and holes, whilst being able to defend against divers
Weakness: acceleration and top speed are a problem with evos and the evo8 suffers from a slight accel disadvantage against the E9

7) R32
TA: 3rd rate TA car, but that doesnt mean it is bad
Battle: "Beware of the big monster" sums this car up. Not as bulky as the R34 but not by any means a bad car, just that other cars a better
Strengths: Monster car in the right hands, slightly faster acceleration against the R34
Weakness: Slower top speed than the R34, size is a bit of an issue against smaller spaces and squeezes

8) S30
TA: 3rd Tier, still pretty good
Battle: Handles very well despite what people may think, the speed and handling this car has is pretty swell
Strengths: Speed+weight means that you can block hard and not be passed by divers whilst being able to dive others
Weakness: Handling on this car is very iffy if you dont know it well or set it up right.

9) R35
TA: Top tier on 830 maps - nuff said
Battle: Speed+Weight+Size=boss
Strengths: Dat acceleration means that it will be eating everything in front of it, handles pretty well for its size and hardcore blockers will appreciate how quick this car is
Weakness: Wayyyy too big for C1 and Taikan at times, no dress up to augment its behaviour, R34 and R32 are better in most situations, needs someone who understands the car and when to fight and when to back off

10) AE86/Mx5 (They are very similar)
TA: Great Ta machines, Mx5 more-so than the Ae86 though
Battle: Not the best battle machines but more for runners, great handling and small size means that if your in front you control the flow of the game w/ the Ae86 being a little bigger than the MX5
Strengths: the smaller size means that you can fit between gaps and cars very easily with C1, Taikan and Hakone are pretty much your home grounds where your small size means more opportunity to pass with gaps
Weakness: In the same strength you have no battle presence when you blocking, top speed are an issue here and some slower acceleration issues compared to the GTRS and Evos.


Anyways those are my observations with the cars, my personal preference is the E8 or E9 though

Reactions for each response.

1) RX8
- right on the money in terms of the characteristics
- almost the same feedback as that back in 3dx+ (less the top speed due to meta change from 3 to 4)
- coincides with my initial insights back in the M.C. RX8 and RYUSN RX8 reviews.

2) Evo9
- What IS the snova setup again? Was it stock aero + GT wing 2D + CF hood & trunk?
- the handling is decent but not as beginner friendly as the Rotaries; but enough to stand on its own in the 4 cylinder class next to the MR2 in terms of handling.

3) FD
- YES! CONFIRMED NERF OUTSIDE TA!

4) R34
- Fkn, if I was a girl, I'd do you for praising this baby. Also in terms of squeezing through; sure its big but can still squeeze through tight spaces, at least against Supras or the other Rs.

5) Cosmo 110S
- not much of a comment but has potential to be the next FD; its old gen 'rented' physics are its only handicap stopping it from being said RX7 making the Savanna FB look good.

6) Evo 8
- yeah the Evo 8 now has its own identity than its brother the E9, you forgot to note that its slightly heavier than the E9; then again that IS the reason why its accel is weak.

7) R32
The accel is quite debateable but I've been in VS races with R32s too and I could confirm your statement, especially off the line / 3-2-1-GO! start off.

8) S30
Ironic how the S30 could be thought of as heavy. The length of the car though IS viable for blocking.

9) R35
If handled right, it's still broken as F***. Other than its body, it is still broken. Still a reasonable verdict why it can't be DU'd. Once you do, you've broken it for the worse, not for the better; or at least, that's what NBGI wants us to think.

If the spec V is to be thought of as the FDU'd R35, what's your take in terms of augmented traits? Any confirmed Maxi5 differences?

10)AE86/MX5
Sure both got buffs in Maxi5 but I'd have to contess with regards to the weakness: The AE86 has more of a battle presence over the MX5 - I'd like to note that at least. Both are agile (can dodge fairly good). They're good for defensive blocks but not on all cases (i.e. more effective on straight-blocks than corner-blocks)

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you think we should post up the top 10 worst ones as well?


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QUOTE (RIT_ninja @ Oct 27 2014, 06:42 PM)
Before Evo X, Evo VI was the best ram Evo. It's got good handling, decent acceleration, heavy body. I've seen couple of people here play battle with it and usually rack up a lot of stars. One player I knew from back in MT2 days has driven it ever since, now has over 20000 stars on his Evo VI.

I personally have the GSR and RS. No difference, but I did a 16 win streak with the GSR one time unintentionally.

All cars on my top 10 list I have personally driven and own in game. I own every car pre-MT3DX, it's how I make the comparison. Perhaps the newer cars can out perform the older cars.

Anyone has a list for Top 10 lightest/heaviest car?

Top 1 of 10 heaviest goes to the R35. Nuff said.

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QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ 24 minutes, 39 seconds ago)
Top 1 of 10 heaviest goes to the R35. Nuff said.

R35 is not the heaviest in game
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QUOTE (Gunma's 34 @ Oct 23 2014, 11:11 PM)

*Confirmed that it takes 2 mid/heavy vehicles (i.e. R34) to push the R35 off its course/lane. Done by me, and either PMCD/Solstice/JPT26 against Rotary Tuner's R35 in MT4 Hakone.

The only time you can push him offensively by yourself is when that R35 is unaware of your push, aldrich619 proved he pushed a car halfway offensively against an Evo6 (exactly near the front door to the rear door)

Otherwise if the R35 user is quite aware he could block 2 cars during blocking, as for the weight factor thing the stock R35 is heavier than SpecV, but believing both are the same if they didn't factor much on the few 100+kg differences on the 2 R35's or rather NBGI's way to keep it the same just outward apperance is the difference
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QUOTE (vash944 @ 2 hours, 12 minutes ago)
The only time you can push him offensively by yourself is when that R35 is unaware of your push, aldrich619 proved he pushed a car halfway offensively against an Evo6 (exactly near the front door to the rear door)

Otherwise if the R35 user is quite aware he could block 2 cars during blocking, as for the weight factor thing the stock R35 is heavier than SpecV, but believing both are the same if they didn't factor much on the few 100+kg differences on the 2 R35's or rather NBGI's way to keep it the same just outward apperance is the difference

We were dealing with Rotary Tuner at Hakone IB's section 2's first hairpin - he freely let us bump him - we pushed him; and yes it took 2 of us to push a bloody 35.
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