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Battle with Boost or no Boost
Boost [ 90 ]  [53.89%]
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Posted on Feb 29 2008, 04:04 AM
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Boost on, it levels the playing field and make things more interesting. It gives the players with weaker time attacks or accidental truck ramming a chance.

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Posted on Feb 29 2008, 12:28 PM
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me and my friends use boost on ramming battles. fun when there is people around and beating the hell out of eachother's cars. 4 cars doing donuts is fun haha.

other than that if its people(we dont know or we just hate) that are included in the race... we always go boost off.
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Posted on Feb 29 2008, 10:08 PM
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QUOTE (battousaiii @ Feb 5 2008, 12:01 PM)
yes you do and it's not dirty. it's call defending. it's used in real racing too.

and i totally agree with sole2100, boost on is fun.

This is where I disagree.

The reason you're racing boost off is because you think that you can perform better and hit better lines and make a faster time than your opponent, right? Skill vs. skill.

If the racer who's behind takes a faster line and gains, he's proving to be the faster racer and is proving that he should be the one ahead because he's performing better. So let him by and try to pass him by making better lines yourself.

Why would you block in a race intended to show who can take the better line? You're just proving that you, infact, are the slower car and can't own up to losing because of it, so you decide to ram the car instead. That's not fair in a boost off setting.

Blocking boost off is ridiculous because save for hitting traffic or a wall, the speed increase from a better line is miniscule at best, small enough that the person who's behind can be easily blocked off because he's gaining so slowly.

Honestly, I'd probably win 99% of my boost off matches if I started the race ahead and decided to block, it's just too damn cheap. Boost on, the cars gain much faster, AND you're given a handling increase when you're behind (which decreases as you get closer), so passing a car is much easier while being pushed.

And you're wrong, players who block a car and impede its line are given penalties in real racing. This happens in F1 alot when a car who is going to pass is blocked off intentionally. The rule is to actually allow the person who's passing you, to pass, as both a safety precaution and out of fairness. The reason he's going to pass you is because he's performing better, so live with it, suck up your pride, and let him pass.
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Posted on Mar 1 2008, 02:03 AM
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Learned that rule from Capeta. The blue flag waved at a driver who is lapped to allow the faster driver to pass. If you don't let them pass, you get a penalty.
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Posted on Mar 1 2008, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE (MaxX @ Today at 4:08 PM)
This is where I disagree.

The reason you're racing boost off is because you think that you can perform better and hit better lines and make a faster time than your opponent, right? Skill vs. skill.

If the racer who's behind takes a faster line and gains, he's proving to be the faster racer and is proving that he should be the one ahead because he's performing better. So let him by and try to pass him by making better lines yourself.

Why would you block in a race intended to show who can take the better line? You're just proving that you, infact, are the slower car and can't own up to losing because of it, so you decide to ram the car instead. That's not fair in a boost off setting.

Blocking boost off is ridiculous because save for hitting traffic or a wall, the speed increase from a better line is miniscule at best, small enough that the person who's behind can be easily blocked off because he's gaining so slowly.

Honestly, I'd probably win 99% of my boost off matches if I started the race ahead and decided to block, it's just too damn cheap. Boost on, the cars gain much faster, AND you're given a handling increase when you're behind (which decreases as you get closer), so passing a car is much easier while being pushed.

And you're wrong, players who block a car and impede its line are given penalties in real racing. This happens in F1 alot when a car who is going to pass is blocked off intentionally. The rule is to actually allow the person who's passing you, to pass, as both a safety precaution and out of fairness. The reason he's going to pass you is because he's performing better, so live with it, suck up your pride, and let him pass.

if you want to compare skill or line or whatever go play TA and compare TA times
battle is battle...blocking and ramming is a part of it...whether boost is off or on it always will be
whole point of battling a stranger is to win anyway possible.. and having fun in the process
but id rather choose boost on, more fun to me.. ramming my friends in different ways and finding new ways to battle
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Posted on Mar 1 2008, 03:26 AM
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It's quite an enigma whether to consider blocking in boost off a "crime" or not because of what they call human perception. But then again, not all people share the same concept about "playing." Some would give out the usual witty shitty retort "it's just a game jeez, so whether boost on or off I'll block you if you pass me," and others would spit out a hot "where's the pride in that? In real life racing you can't do that."

It however contradicts the entire idea of choosing boost off (summarizes and produces the word skill.) If you're a clean player, your obvious intent is to outrun your opponent using your skill, a bit of luck, and your lines. If you find your opponent gaining on you and you block him, it defeats your intent to prove that you're faster. So why opt for boost off in the first place?

People also wake up at the wrong side of the bed too, so tough luck if you're the better player and somehow, a truck finds a way and teleports to your line resulting to an unfair loss. Suck it up and play again, try avoiding the truck next time if you want to prove your superiority.

People play to have fun, yes that's universal, and that's where boost on kicks in. It gives everyone a fighting chance, noob or pro, as well as adding more flavor to the game (such as blocking when nearing the finish line to avoid stupid outruns which can be classified also as skill)

TA's are to determine the best lines. Boost off's are to determine who adapts better with traffic, it's an entire different story altogether, y r der no twaffic if u do stweet reycing?

This one takes the cake though. --> "Those that hate boost on, are normally people thats scared of losing."

There's a really simple way to prevent that though, anticipate, block, ram in the end.
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Posted on Mar 1 2008, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (MaxX @ Yesterday at 10:08 PM)
This is where I disagree.

The reason you're racing boost off is because you think that you can perform better and hit better lines and make a faster time than your opponent, right? Skill vs. skill.

If the racer who's behind takes a faster line and gains, he's proving to be the faster racer and is proving that he should be the one ahead because he's performing better. So let him by and try to pass him by making better lines yourself.

Why would you block in a race intended to show who can take the better line? You're just proving that you, infact, are the slower car and can't own up to losing because of it, so you decide to ram the car instead. That's not fair in a boost off setting.

Blocking boost off is ridiculous because save for hitting traffic or a wall, the speed increase from a better line is miniscule at best, small enough that the person who's behind can be easily blocked off because he's gaining so slowly.

Honestly, I'd probably win 99% of my boost off matches if I started the race ahead and decided to block, it's just too damn cheap. Boost on, the cars gain much faster, AND you're given a handling increase when you're behind (which decreases as you get closer), so passing a car is much easier while being pushed.

And you're wrong, players who block a car and impede its line are given penalties in real racing. This happens in F1 alot when a car who is going to pass is blocked off intentionally. The rule is to actually allow the person who's passing you, to pass, as both a safety precaution and out of fairness. The reason he's going to pass you is because he's performing better, so live with it, suck up your pride, and let him pass.

i agree with MaxX he is right about everything but anyway is just a game. right??
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Posted on Mar 2 2008, 01:05 AM
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Well boost on makes the match more exciting. But sometimes get piss off when people won by luck.
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Posted on Mar 2 2008, 01:13 AM
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i think battle should always be boost on because it makes it moer exciting, but if u wanna prove ur faster jus do TA
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 03:20 AM
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so....stepping brakes = boost off?
hmm..i tot that goal out makes cars goes much much faster than not stepping brakes?
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 04:37 AM
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nice one haru! totally agree with you.


boost give everyone a chance to win, thus making the game more fun, and the game's all about having fun isn't it? happy.gif
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 06:32 AM
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i'd go for boost on...because if you try boost off you're car doesnt feel so fast..and also agree with haru and tigger...MT is all about having fun while racing.. ^^
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 09:10 AM
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But sometimes you want to measure skill..
when people of half your skill can keep up in a race..
not cool...
boost off all the way.
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 03:44 PM
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOST ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Speed @ Today at 12:10 PM)
But sometimes you want to measure skill..
when people of half your skill can keep up in a race..
not cool...
boost off all the way.

That's what makes it situational.

I'll keep boost on unless I can see some kid constantly racing me on the same course, taking terrible lines, but staying in the race because of boost on. I'll then elect for boost off (but never push it on the guy, he can make the choice he wants) to kinda put him in his place.
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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 09:12 PM
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MaxX I agree with most of your last post, it makes a lot of sense but you have to factor in car performance as well. In a boost off battle it wouldn't be too fun to make, lets say an R34, move in front of your Evo 6 during a NBL battle simply because his top speed was much greater than yours. May as well pull over and look at the scenery because your chances of winner just greatly decreased without boost.

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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 09:40 PM
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Worst still, some resorts to ramming the moment the race started and every single races (except Hakone and Osaka) will most probably end up in Wangan line... =.=
Thus, boost on FTW.
By keeping races boost on, we learn how to block during cornering and for a R34 driver like me, minimize the chances of my car from being cushioned by opponents...

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Posted on Mar 7 2008, 09:41 PM
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last time
i was playing
forgot whether the boost is on or off
but at the start
i was on the first grid right position and
suddenly the car became in the front
position
its a boost or ?
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Posted on Mar 8 2008, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE (Kenji @ Yesterday at 9:40 PM)
Worst still, some resorts to ramming the moment the race started and every single races (except Hakone and Osaka) will most probably end up in Wangan line... =.=
Thus, boost on FTW.
By keeping races boost on, we learn how to block during cornering and for a R34 driver like me, minimize the chances of my car from being cushioned by opponents...

lol, sounds like IDV3. But seriously, I've raced this one asshole that would run you into the wall with his R34 if you tried slipping past him. I'm not talking being defensive, I'm talking ramming until he loses most of his speed... I blame Xeo, he has corrupted T.O. players with this driving style XD!

But seriously, boost on boost off, either way there gonna be BS that will piss you off.
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Posted on Mar 8 2008, 01:05 AM
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boost off less fun, boost on all the way, its alot more fun XD noobs will keep up with me but they'll lost by 4m, and will challenge me again .... and again.... and ...XD

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Posted on Mar 8 2008, 01:19 AM
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QUOTE (Spike Razzor @ Today at 4:50 PM)
lol, sounds like IDV3. But seriously, I've raced this one asshole that would run you into the wall with his R34 if you tried slipping past him. I'm not talking being defensive, I'm talking ramming until he loses most of his speed... I blame Xeo, he has corrupted T.O. players with this driving style XD!

But seriously, boost on boost off, either way there gonna be BS that will piss you off.

It's fun when you get a sudden boost after every corner you took...
You basically brake hard, and guide the car to the point where every trailing cars will exit at and and BUMP! instant speed boost... tongue.gif
Furthermore R34 + speed boost=instant pawn! tongue.gif
Driving this car in osaka with 780hp is blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif Coupled with heavy traffic, opponents has difficulties blocking me... tongue.gif

But then, that R34 driver you mentioned sounds stupid... tongue.gif

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Posted on Mar 8 2008, 01:59 AM
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QUOTE (Spike Razzor @ Today at 12:50 AM)
lol, sounds like IDV3. But seriously, I've raced this one asshole that would run you into the wall with his R34 if you tried slipping past him. I'm not talking being defensive, I'm talking ramming until he loses most of his speed... I blame Xeo, he has corrupted T.O. players with this driving style XD!

Aww...too bad laugh.gif

LOL it's just the way we're used to doing it... grin2.gif
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Posted on Mar 8 2008, 03:46 AM
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Boost off. Cause where I play, no one plays boost on simply because they don't want opponents hiding behind the excuse of 'you're a boost whore' when they lose.

EDIT: just to clarify, most of us don't hide behind the 'u r bust hore' excuse.

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If the racer who's behind takes a faster line and gains, he's proving to be the faster racer and is proving that he should be the one ahead because he's performing better. So let him by and try to pass him by making better lines yourself.

Why would you block in a race intended to show who can take the better line? You're just proving that you, infact, are the slower car and can't own up to losing because of it, so you decide to ram the car instead. That's not fair in a boost off setting.


There's something I disagree with in that post.

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Say we got 3 groups of players:
-1 group plays boost on (casual players)
-1 plays boost off and no contact and no blocking
-1 plays boost off and anything goes

The boost on guys are never going to learn the correct lines to take, cause they don't have to, so they're somewhat irrelevant to the discussion so I'll leave them alone. They're only here for fun anyway, so don't expect asking them to sit down and work at the game to... um... work.

The no contact guys are learning to proper lines and trying to pass cleanly and all that. But because they never have to deal with blockers and rammers, they'll never know how to (it's not like ramming is a piece of cake. It takes practice too).

The no boost anything goes guys will probably learnt to take lines (some of which will be worse than the No Contact group) anyway, cause it's no boost, but they'll also learn to live with blocking and ramming and all that stuff.

So what happens when the last 2 groups meet? The first group will be decimated, and can either complain that the second group are cheap, or deal with contact.

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Blocking boost off is ridiculous because save for hitting traffic or a wall, the speed increase from a better line is miniscule at best, small enough that the person who's behind can be easily blocked off because he's gaining so slowly.


To counter blocking, ram, much like you counter constant guarding in a fighting game by throwing the bastard. If you really want to have a best line contest, run TA, cause vs races aren't just about my line > your line.

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Honestly, I'd probably win 99% of my boost off matches if I started the race ahead and decided to block, it's just too damn cheap. Boost on, the cars gain much faster, AND you're given a handling increase when you're behind (which decreases as you get closer), so passing a car is much easier while being pushed.


So why don't you block? The game doesn't know shit about cheap or not, only who came first, second, third and fourth.

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And you're wrong, players who block a car and impede its line are given penalties in real racing. This happens in F1 alot when a car who is going to pass is blocked off intentionally. The rule is to actually allow the person who's passing you, to pass, as both a safety precaution and out of fairness. The reason he's going to pass you is because he's performing better, so live with it, suck up your pride, and let him pass.


I think the no blocking in F1 is more of a safety thing than a fairness thing. Crashing in those things would hurt a lot.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I upset anyone in any way. I tried not to word in an offensive manner.

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QUOTE (Tensa @ Yesterday at 9:46 PM)
The boost on guys are never going to learn the correct lines to take, cause they don't have to, so they're somewhat irrelevant to the discussion so I'll leave them alone.

riighhtttt ... "never" going to learn the correct lines
my friends play boost on and run within a second of WR.. i guess they dont know correct lines then because they play boost on and such
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Posted on Mar 8 2008, 09:01 AM
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BS, there's always TA to measure skill, but as I've said before, there are different ways to measure your skill using lines, with TA, and adapting thru traffic.

Luck on boost on, bullshit. You can always block an opponent whenever you like, even on hairpins.
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