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Oddmanout84's Z build, Not your Devil Z
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QUOTE (Zeether @ 15 minutes, 58 seconds ago) | btw, if you don't want to shell out $3000 on Watanabes Konig makes lookalikes called Rewind. |
yeah, I've been surfing rinkya and yahoo jp for a good set of Watanabes for a while. I've looked at Konigs, but they're not wide enough for me. I've actually considered rota rbs recently, as much as I said I'd NEVER do, but at 17x9,17x9.5 staggered they actually fit the Z without the need for spacers or suspension modifications. Not only that, but my friend has a set of racing compound tires that would fit them, and he's willing to sell the set well below the $250 per tire they'd normally cost. I certainly don't want to be the first, but I've also never heard of any of these wheels breaking, even by some of the HBZ members who have tracked them.
If I can find some Wats for a similar price though, I'll be on that like stink on rice.
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RS Watanabe has a HQ in Torrance, CA.
Any wheel can break under hard track use. Depends on how many heat cycles you put through it.
Quality cast > Cheap cast. Forged > Cast
For lightness, and strength.
Rotas have broken on the track before.
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QUOTE (BmwNeoType @ 2 hours, 56 minutes ago) | RS Watanabe has a HQ in Torrance, CA.
Any wheel can break under hard track use. Depends on how many heat cycles you put through it.
Quality cast > Cheap cast. Forged > Cast
For lightness, and strength.
Rotas have broken on the track before. |
Yes, they have broken before. But so far I have not heard of the RB models having any failures, yet.
Like I said, I'm doing my damnedest to find a good set of Wats (which I'm pretty sure are forged). But if I can't I've already got a set of wheels and awesome tires (which would actually cost more than the wheels themselves) lined up for a great price. Mid level, not incredibly cheap quality, but not the best. I think I read that a set of RBs in the dimensions I mentioned weighs about 45lbs, according to EMWHYRON on HBZ. He's very pleased with them, on and off the track.
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I believe strongly he is incorrect.
The 17 x 7.5 4 x 100 PCD Rota RB has been weighed in at around 18.20 lbs a wheel. Which turns out to 72.80 lbs for a set. Meaning the 9 and 9.5 RBs are going to weigh in at around 20 lbs a wheel.
Approximately 45 lbs a set means each wheel 11.25 lbs a wheel. Our SSR Type C-RS 17 x 7.5 weighs in at 14.6 lbs a wheel. Our Type C-RS is about 1 to 1/2 lbs lighter than a standard Rays Engineering TE37 (Depending on size and offset).
I know 5Zigen Forged FN01Rs and Buddy Club P1 forged wheels are pretty light too, somewhere in the same neighborhood as the SSRs.
Cliffs: Basically it has to be a forged, high quality single or multipiece wheel to weigh in at 11 lbs on that size otherwise i call BS. I don't believe in just throwing on wheels for looks. Wheels have to be lighter, wider and stronger than OEM.
RS Watanabes are cast wheels. However, the reason they are famous is because some of their wheels are Cast magnesium (extremely light). Which makes them very light, but you need to specifically order that. And, they are usually expensive. But, even regarding cast wheels, there is a difference between quality cast and shitty cast: Enkei MAT cast, Yokohama Advan series and Watanabe cast wheels are probably leagues ahead of the filipino and chinese casting process.
This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Jun 7 2009, 10:27 PM
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Not don't buy cheap wheels.
Buy wheels that are light, strong, good quality, and are backed by companies that offer good dealer/customer service.
For example: I use the 360 Forged, HRE, and SSR examples. 360 Forged, HRE, and SSR all sell wheels that are anywhere from $2500 - $8000 dollars a set.
360 Forged died a painful death because the quality, weights, and customer service did not match their $1500 a wheel price tag. It was a shame. Their wheels were gorgeous in pictures. They were not that light, and the finishing sucked. They had a lot of potential customers, and the marketing ability to do well. They had more orders than they could handle, they accepted those orders without understanding the whole grand scheme of it. They 1/2 assed the wheels, the finishes, the sizing, the hardware, and the customer service.
HRE on the other hand, they had some finishing, structural problems with their wheels. Their image was ALMOST lost in most car communities when the rumor of HRE wheels being banned from Viper Club of america track events spread. But, HRE made a very strong effort to make most of their unsatisfied customers happy. The president of the company himself answered every question on the car forums, and tried to make things right. HRE's name was saved for the most part, and people still do business with them.
SSR at one point was distributed by Tire rack in the USA. They had a few bad batches of wheels. The old Type C (SSR Competition) at one point was said to be so light because there was a lack of enough wheel material. A few (not widespread), of the older SSR Competitions, GT3s, and GT2s developed cracks under heavy load. They learned from their mistake when they went bankrupt. When Tanabe Japan bought them, they redid all their tooling. They came out from that whole ordeal much stronger.
It turned out, the most $$$$$ of the wheel brands was the shittiest one. So, in the end, it's up to the customer to do his homework before buying wheels. If anyone is naive enough to believe that almost 2 x the rotational mass, and 1/2 the strength of a lightweight quality cast or full forged wheel will not affect their performance at some point, then they are just naive and usually learn the hard way later. A bit of information: The actual weight distribution of the wheel in the hub, spokes, barrel and face of the wheel makes a different on how the car handles on the street, and track too.
This post has been edited by BmwNeoType on Jun 8 2009, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Zeether @ Yesterday, 3:47 PM) | btw, if you don't want to shell out $3000 on Watanabes Konig makes lookalikes called Rewind. |
Watanabes costs that much?!
well, what wheel & tire size is most appropriate for a 240Z? + offset thats a great fit with fender flares on?
This post has been edited by the passing on Jun 8 2009, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (the passing @ 12 minutes, 53 seconds ago) | Watanabes costs that much?!
well, what wheel & tire size is most appropriate for a 240Z? + offset thats a great fit with fender flares on? |
17x9 -13 offset, 17x9.5 -19 offset (staggered) rota RBs fit perfect and fill out the flares. 16x9 -13 offset, 16x9.5 -19 offset (staggered again) Watanabe R-types also fit the flares perfectly, but I hear they may rub the shock towers depending on the tires size you're running, and may need coilovers to overcome this and provide adequate clearance. For anything else there's spacers, and as a general rule S30s like wheels with 0 to negative offset.
And yes, Watanabes are at least $2500+ when you order a set, plus shipping and whatever options you want on top of that.
This post has been edited by Oddmanout84 on Jun 8 2009, 07:27 PM
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