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Posted: Aug 27 2010, 12:51 AM
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i've done a few hakone battles before. but i keep crashin. 740 hp
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Posted: Aug 27 2010, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE (maango @ 16 minutes, 31 seconds ago)
i've done a few hakone battles before. but i keep crashin. 740 hp

Again, watch how the pros play. Then practice your TA and ghost runs. And don't forget to play with the best players in your area. That's the best advice that I can give you because that's how I was able to improve in Hakone... There's no magic in it. Whatever technique you will learn in winning in Hakone, you'll have to learn and apply through experience and consistent practice...
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Posted: Aug 27 2010, 03:09 AM
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Hakone TA is entirely different from battling (boost on), although both have no traffic to concern.
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Posted: Aug 27 2010, 03:13 AM
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Hakone TA is entirely different from battling (boost on), although both have no traffic to concern.

That's true but I take it that the guy was asking about how he can improve his Hakone runs in general... meaning both TA and battles... The idea here is for him to at least achieve some degree of familiarity with the track... Unless he's a gifted natural player/racer...
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Posted: Aug 27 2010, 03:25 AM
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yeah I agree.. nobody is gifted on their first run, but I've seen some players learn the map faster than others. The ones that are slow at learning - those that have a very bad first TA - doesn't mean they will have a slower time at the end results after practice.

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Posted: Aug 28 2010, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE (xw6668 @ Yesterday, 3:25 AM)
yeah I agree.. nobody is gifted on their first run, but I've seen some players learn the map faster than others. The ones that are slow at learning - those that have a very bad first TA - doesn't mean they will have a slower time at the end results after practice.

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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE (xw6668 @ Aug 27 2010, 03:25 AM)
yeah I agree.. nobody is gifted on their first run, but I've seen some players learn the map faster than others. The ones that are slow at learning - those that have a very bad first TA - doesn't mean they will have a slower time at the end results after practice.

Well actually you guys talk about "gifted" players but in reality it's just someone who learned the actual physics of the car before that person plAyed the game. A person can get good by observation and repition but some people can't grasp the great picture or be able make their car perform and not loose hardly any speed With their car unless they learn real racing real angles real overtaking technics real dogfights real bracking technics real drifting real tuning real aerodynamic knowledge real power to weight ratios and......yeah it's just a game and some fast times on hakone are doing wall bumps when any real racer knows at those speeds your going to loose you rearbumper and maybe mess up the balance in your rear suspension. But thats what seperates it from being a game seriously i think of wangan like bumper cars but on a gokart track lol. Most players that get into wangan like the music and see the anime.
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 02:15 AM
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The physics are different in the game than from real life. Players can be young for our standards, who haven't even or barely touched cars yet, but be very good at the game.

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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 03:05 AM
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QUOTE (xw6668 @ 50 minutes, 26 seconds ago)
The physics are different in the game than from real life. Players can be young for our standards, who haven't even or barely touched cars yet, but be very good at the game.

But analysis it on a psychological level

Younger generations (or youth in general) can pick up experience and skills much faster than that of older generations. This is because they have a 'blank' piece of paper to learn up. As in, its the first time they learn that skills. Therefore, they can make an effort with no interference from previous skills (such as driving)...

In contrast to this, they can also acquire information about the game and combine that with other games (moving from IDAS or NFS) and incorperate that with other games (such as MT etc)

In summary, the younger a person is, the faster s/he can pick up skills and the dynamics of the game due to their ability to process information quickly and without filters (from conflicting skills such as ACTUAL driving)... Generally this age is between 13-18

But pros are generally 18ish and have a higher understanding of the games physics
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 03:57 AM
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QUOTE (fkn @ 51 minutes, 56 seconds ago)
But analysis it on a psychological level

Younger generations (or youth in general) can pick up experience and skills much faster than that of older generations. This is because they have a 'blank' piece of paper to learn up. As in, its the first time they learn that skills. Therefore, they can make an effort with no interference from previous skills (such as driving)...

In contrast to this, they can also acquire information about the game and combine that with other games (moving from IDAS or NFS) and incorperate that with other games (such as MT etc)

In summary, the younger a person is, the faster s/he can pick up skills and the dynamics of the game due to their ability to process information quickly and without filters (from conflicting skills such as ACTUAL driving)... Generally this age is between 13-18

But pros are generally 18ish and have a higher understanding of the games physics

Could not agree more.
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 04:15 AM
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QUOTE (fkn @ 1 hour, 9 minutes ago)
But analysis it on a psychological level

Younger generations (or youth in general) can pick up experience and skills much faster than that of older generations. This is because they have a 'blank' piece of paper to learn up. As in, its the first time they learn that skills. Therefore, they can make an effort with no interference from previous skills (such as driving)...

In contrast to this, they can also acquire information about the game and combine that with other games (moving from IDAS or NFS) and incorperate that with other games (such as MT etc)

In summary, the younger a person is, the faster s/he can pick up skills and the dynamics of the game due to their ability to process information quickly and without filters (from conflicting skills such as ACTUAL driving)... Generally this age is between 13-18

But pros are generally 18ish and have a higher understanding of the games physics

Nicely put,
Even though being 28, i'am trying my best to improve lol.
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 04:25 AM
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Now i found that really improved of my hakone skills.....need more practice. D=

might try TA but its really good at time.
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 05:03 AM
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For me it wasn't to hard to adapt because I knew what angles and lines to take and what angle and speed I wanted my car to be In. My experiance drifting did conflict though on some turns I toss the steering wheel and catch it after I let the car straighten itself out. Not having the full rotation on the steering wheel did affect me a little.
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 06:19 AM
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QUOTE (DriftingVG @ 1 hour, 15 minutes ago)
For me it wasn't to hard to adapt because I knew what angles and lines to take and what angle and speed I wanted my car to be In. My experiance drifting did conflict though on some turns I toss the steering wheel and catch it after I let the car straighten itself out. Not having the full rotation on the steering wheel did affect me a little.

What fkn said is true. However, one cannot just dismiss the experience that a person has gained in relation to their current acitivity i.e. actual driving and MT. True that there are "filters" due to the experiences gained but those experiences certainly provided a stepping stone of sorts that eases the learning curve for some of the "older" players.
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Posted: Aug 29 2010, 02:20 PM
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well said by fkn, an elegant explaination about virtual and real-world experience and its effects on Maximum Tune.

Also, each person's experience is different and not reproduceable; for example, the real car they drive, their driving style, and which locations they drive the car in (freeway, track, mountains, etc) so different persons have experiences which more closely coincide, or less closely coincide with the in-game physics, and thus affects the way they drive and process the game.
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Posted: Aug 31 2010, 09:03 AM
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How do tackle the corners in Hakone? sad.gif

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Posted: Aug 31 2010, 04:15 PM
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How do tackle the corners in Hakone? sad.gif

Turn the steering wheel?
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Posted: Aug 31 2010, 06:12 PM
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How do tackle the corners in Hakone? sad.gif

i went to do TA on hakone today. and i found it easier to ease off the throttle before turning. you may also want to brake at some turns. i.e the red ones and a few yellows


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so. i just want to ask. what is your favourite car for hakone.
for TA and Battles
personally. i like the Subaru for TA
and for battles. an Evo x.x
but, i really want to try an Rx8 cause i see alot of people use it for Hakone
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QUOTE (maango @ Yesterday, 6:12 PM)
i went to do TA on hakone today. and i found it easier to ease off the throttle before turning. you may also want to brake at some turns. i.e the red ones and a few yellows


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so. i just want to ask. what is your favourite car for hakone.
for TA and Battles
personally. i like the Subaru for TA
and for battles. an Evo x.x
but, i really want to try an Rx8 cause i see alot of people use it for Hakone

I stick with my cars... Just E8 and R33
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Posted: Sep 1 2010, 12:55 PM
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so. i just want to ask. what is your favourite car for hakone.
for TA and Battles
personally. i like the Subaru for TA
and for battles. an Evo x.x
but, i really want to try an Rx8 cause i see alot of people use it for Hakone


yea I jst use my car as well.
every TA peeps use rx8 I think.
but ya know its good to break out of the bandwagon sometimes tongue.gif
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Posted: Sep 1 2010, 02:52 PM
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yea I jst use my car as well.
every TA peeps use rx8 I think.
but ya know its good to break out of the bandwagon sometimes tongue.gif

well. i want to try my r34 on it. after i FT it. w/o dressup points.
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Posted: Sep 1 2010, 09:20 PM
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So essentially, one of the most important skills is to distinguish maximum tune as a game, with its own specific skill set.

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Posted: Sep 1 2010, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE (Myth_21 @ 1 hour, 8 minutes ago)
So essentially, one of the most important skills is to distinguish maximum tune as a game, with its own specific skill set.

that shouldn't really be a skill. that should be something you already know
i guess you "as humans" learn something new everyday
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QUOTE (jaZon @ Yesterday, 4:03 AM)
How do tackle the corners in Hakone? sad.gif

There're 2 means to that! Hahaha...

Ease off da pedal, man! wink2.gif

Can you run before you steadily properly walk?

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Posted: Sep 1 2010, 11:59 PM
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really needs to TA some more lol
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